John J. Nazarian on the Kelly Thomas Death and Officer Ramos and Officer Cicinelli
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A couple of weeks ago I discussed this case briefly on my radio show, ‘Straight Talk with John J. Nazarian. The photo on ‘Rosespeaks.com’ is terrible, how these officers climbed that ‘ladder’ of aggression has been looked at closely. And what we find is an officer or maybe two going a little overboard with the ‘use of force’ to gain compliance.
I was not there and have only the media and now the documents of the Orange County District Attorney’s office to go by. The D.A. is a political animal and this is a great cause to show ‘the’ people, ‘look at how I handled this’. What about the officers? The two officers and maybe more will have their lives ruined and maybe at times they will wish they were dead. Not that many people care in this society but lots of cops commit suicide and it gets a blip in the paper depending upon the news that day.
“First Degree Murder”, Rose? Did you loose one of your oars? These officers did not lay and wait to kill anyone, they responded to a call and for whatever reasons the call spiraled out of control. As a former officer I expected and demanded that people that I was dealing with follow my instructions to the letter. Now am I going to say that I never went ‘hands on’, of course not, I also feel that any officer that goes through his police career and never has had a complaint from some disgruntled arrestee or citizen was either lucky or lazy.
(Who cannot remember the Rodney King debacle and the affect that had on police officers. King was and still is a criminal and knew the game more likely better than the cops, but we all know where that went. When will our society realize that bad people do bad things and it is the cops who have to confront this cultural garbage. Once again, the cops got the shaft and King got the gold.)
Also keep in mind Kelly Thomas went from being someone’s child sweet and loving child, on to a teenager with all the dreams that kids have at that time in their lives and then….he became an adult and at some time a public nuisance. I am sure that his dad and mom did not set out to raise a public nuisance but that was the end result. Where was dad when his son was roaming the streets of Fullerton. This is a sad story on several levels, it is sad that Kelly is dead, should he had been locked up in a mental hospital as it would have been in the days of old? But no, people like Kelly Thomas, and there is no shortage of people like this in our society, they roam our streets and in some instances create havoc. Either rummaging through the recycling or sitting and stinking perhaps in close proximity to us when we want to enjoy some time with family and friends.
It has become the responsibility of our local police and sheriffs to deal with the loons and all related baggage that they bring. The death of Kelly Thomas is a terrible thing.
Knowing this is not a defense, had he been on his medications and or under the watchful eye of ‘daddy’, could this had turned out differently? Perhaps. Officer Ramos appeared to be getting a little overly aggressive, I have arrested hundreds and hundreds of bad guys. I have also smacked a few and would do it again if given the opportunity, I realized that I had all the power in the world at times. I had the power to deprive someone of their freedom and if given the ‘green light’ I could and would have taken their life.
Officers Manuel Ramos and Jay Cicinelli never set out to kill this guy, it was a progression of more and more force being used when it was more likely not needed. I am 60 years old and I have no question I could have taken junior into custody, not a doubt in my mind. For me if it meant walking and talking to this mental midget I would have, that was my style. And again, I loved having the opportunity to put my tight leather gloves right into a bad guys face, only when it was warranted.
Now, that the cheering squads are getting their pound of flesh and these officers are no longer going to be cops and will be made to be the most miserable that the system can make former cops. Remember for a cop this is nothing short of a death sentence, yes I can see some of you wriggling your fat asses on the couch, will this also make you happy? What about Kelly Thomas’s dad, what explanation does he have of not taking charge of his ‘not so right’ kid? For me, I taught all my kids to cooperate and don’t say anything other than their names, and call me. Cooperating a little more may have stopped what was coming and on the other hand, just maybe that train has already left the station.
God Bless the men and women in blue and Khaki and I wish both of these officers all the best in defense that they can get. They are going to need it now that they are going to be a part of ‘Political Tom Foolery’.
Here is a ‘second thought’, who? Other than maybe Kelly Thomas’s father is really going to miss him? Will a street in the run down part of town be named after him? Will a special issue garbage bag be made in his honor? Will there be a Kelly Thomas super dooper stun gun? And who is going to miss his presence at Thanksgiving dinner or those wonderful and warm moments sitting around the Christmas tree? Who I ask?
My other thought is did his mom and dad have him over for those special holidays, I am only asking. Quite frankly if this guy was a dog he would have been put down as a public nuisance, and I understand that we don’t do that in our society. Nor should we, it is not fair to dogs, but boy do I have a problem with all of this.
Here is another thought to go with the one above, who is going to miss officers Ramos and Cicinelli? My bet is going to be lots and lots of people, and was there a point that this should have stopped, it did not. So now we have two cops who will be sacrificed to a system that they both supported. They will both become political stepping stones for many gutless politicians who would not know whether to shit or throw donuts if they had to for one minute confront what cops have to on a daily basis. Will Officer Ramos’s family miss him at Christmas and Thanksgiving, I am thinking yup! Jay Cicinelli’s family I am guessing another yup.
For me as a former cop and writer I guess I was lucky, sure lucky that we did not have the technology that haunts the modern day coppers. Sure the old days of ‘gunfighters’and ‘metro’ units are gone. Hey what about the ‘Hat Squad’ of the old L.A.P.D. There was a time when a cop if he knew that a felony had been committed could shoot ‘a fleeing felon’, ah what the hell, ‘I Roger That’.
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September 25, 2011
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