Howard K. Stern Files “Seal Document” in Florida Litigation with John O’Quinn; Why?
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Why did Howard K. Stern and/or John O’Quinn file a sealed document, unnamed on November 18, to be sure the Court had a copy before the deadline for the Show Cause Order due no later than November 19.
In the filing by O’Quinn’s lawyer on October 31, requesting the Court to release them from all Court Order productions of any future documents the Motion filed by Robert Klein stated in part:
“This matter was fully resolved during a confidential mediation on Thursday, October 30, 2008. Pursuant to the mediation agreement that was executed by and between the parties, a stipulation and order will be submitted to this court, memorializing the agreement, and providing for the retention of jurisdiction by this court for the enforcement of the terms of the settlement. It is anticipated that the draft order will be submitted to the Court at some point toward the middle part of next week.”
On November 4, the Magistrate for the Southern District of Florida issued an Order granting the Motion in part and denying it in part stating the following:
“The Court notes that the parties have ten (10) calendar days from their notice of settlement of October 30, 2008 to file a joint stipulation of dismissal with prejudice. If that is filed and the Court dismisses the case with prejudice, the parties will be relieved of their discovery duties. Accordingly, it is ORDERED AND ADJUDGED as follows:
1. Defendants’ Motion to Be Relieved of Obligation to Produce Financial Statements Pursuant to Magistrate’s Order [DE 243] is hereby GRANTED in part;
2. The Magistrate Judge’s October 24, 2008 Order [DE 234] for Defendants to produce financial discovery documentation described in the Order is hereby STAYED until November 10, 2008.”
So what is going on? In the other cases I found on PACER where Lin Wood was the lawyer for defamation cases as well as other defamation cases I pulled to compare, they are all pretty straightforward IF an agreement is reached. They each file a “Stipulation of Settlement”, including providing the retention of the court involved having jurisdiction for the enforcement of the settlement. In the ones I have found, they normally say that a settlement has been reached that the parties are filing the “Stipulation” with the Court, and that the “Stipulation” shows that each side will pay their own legal fees. This is followed up within a few days with a Motion and Order to Dismiss with Prejudice and then PACER will show the case “terminated”.
Why did that not happen in this case as stated in Robert Klein’s filing that such a stipulation was expected to be filed with the Court for approval around November 4 or 5? What is in the “Sealed Document”? Well here is my “GUESS”.
I think some mild problem in the wording of the settlement or something one of the parties thought of after the mediation and wanted that included in the final papers. My guess is the Sealed Document probably outlined for the Court in detail what had been worked out, what they still needed to work out and the date they thought it would be completed. Remember when Robert Klein filed that he had the flu, the court did extend mediation until December 1. My feeling and OPINION, not FACTS but OPINION, is that as long as the parties are working hard; making a good faith effort to resolve any wording on the Stipulation; and has it completed by December 1, then all will be well with the Court. However, did O’Quinn have to turn in his financial statement and information after November 10? On the other hand, was that also addressed in the Sealed Document filed on November 18? We will just have to wait and see won’t we.
One of our members Fifi was kind enough to look at how she perceived Lin Wood’s history of working multiple cases involving the same client(s) and came up with this “long term” plan. Fifi stated she feels based on if she sees the situations applying to a situation of multiple cases in multiple jurisdictions; some over lapping with parties, third person non-party witnesses; and containing some of the same allegations and/or parties. “Lin’s history he usually has a long term plan. There are three basic steps he usually follows, sometimes they overlap, but generally, it’s a slow process. Step 1 - Quell the media storm. Step 2 - Litigate against the most extreme defamers. Step 3 - Rehabilitate the client’s reputation.”
Perhaps Lin Wood decided if there is to be a court fight that New York is the better case to prove the allegations against Howard K. Stern in black and white, pun intended.
I will be taking a detail look at the following writing by Mr. Wood, “Suing the News Media in the Age of Tabloid Journalism: L. Lin Wood and the Battle for Accountability 2006”. We invite you to download this in our document section and share your thoughts with us.
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Rose, to me it would make sense that both parties are ironing out the legalities before the extended deadline Dec. 1st [requested by Klein] with Lin Wood preparing to fry the bigger fish, Rita Cosby. Rita’s accusations are easier to prove due they are on the nearest bookshelves in black and white. This not saying that Lin Wood did not get a favorable settlement for Howard from O’Quinn though.
#1 JMA,
Very good I agree “fry the bigger fish Rita,” LOL.
Fifi, so glad Rose used you three steps. If you look at this according to the steps, Lin has not completed the third step yet he maybe waiting until the other cases are over.
I guess we will wait until after December 1 to see what Pacer has to say, if anything.
Morning,Thanks Rose for your article ,make sens, open a light in what is going on.
seal doc.were fill in legal times. So the court is now inform about the case.I wonder if the settlement could be retard cause of Texas apparition today by lawyers?
In other way J O”Q had to show is income???
I mint not be easy to reach settlement in this case oufff!
They are both Lin Wood and J O”Q the big head so …
Klein made an apparition and maybe return to his toilet so he is not aware about what is going on ….imodium.(joke)
What I laught at, all night, is the lawsuit VA file against TMZ. TMZ now making a lawsuit against VA cause she porsuit TMZ.Make my day!
Reading this article helped me too. I believe both Howard and Lin had to be satisfied in order to settle. We’ll never know because ven the settlement will be sealed and I’m sure neither party can legally disclose what it is either.
I feel there will be a win with the Cosby case too. And although I would love to hear what everyone says in court I believe this will be settled as well.
Have a great week-end everyone!
savesomething, love the Klein joke
I am starting to wonder whether the settlement in the Cosby suit will not be sealed too. I am sure Rita is not going to want her peers to know exactly how much Howard got due to her unfounded accusations and bad taste in writing.
I think it will be sealed. I think these folks got a lot to hide..
come out come out where ever you are! lol
Ok, my opinion only. I am not to sure if Stern will settle out of court in Rita’s lawsuit. Would this not be the case where Stern’s reputation could be salvaged ? Maybe the agreed amount might be sealed. Oh I know in some people’s mind it will never be salvaged.
There is something happening since now the Virgie supporters are throwing Wilma under the bus and that happened so fast even tho the majority of us said the same thing many months ago. Can’t you always tell when they have an order from the leader of the pack? But what is funnier, none will see that their hero, O’Quinn, threw them under that same bus.
I liked the 3 step as well Fifi!
DiamondGirl, my opinion the VA supporter’s sudden dislike for Wilma is they trying to cover their asses for their own involvement with her.
Very interesting DiamondGirl, and when I think about what Fifi said I am getting my confidence back in regards to this case.
I will admit to being affected by some of Wood’s own words and the sealed documents.
This O’Q, he really knows how to use people. In the end people like that pay, after all, he sold his soul.
Daisy, to me JO sold his soul a long time before he joined forces with Virgie. You know many talk about a conspiracy but when you step back and look at the total picture, there actually was one. It began with JO and his cronies. I don’t know who said it but they believed that JO was involved in this whole story right after Daniel’s death. I believe it. I think JO set up Virgie to get to the money that might or might not become available to Dannielynn, meaning the Marshall money. JO was involved before Anna’s death. Geesh what the hell was Clark doing at Anna’s funeral?
DiamondGirl, Clark was also at the Florida hearing sitting right there on Virgie’s side. I mean if O’Quinn hired Clark for investigation services then he should have been everywhere else but the Florida courtroom. I agree, why the hell he attended the funeral, same goes for Opri being there, WTH.
Anyone notice that both Howard and VA are staying in the background and keepinf a low profile at this time ezcept for the lawsuits filed there has not been any word from either
MySpace Lori Drew update:
http://jezebel.com/5095538/myspace-trial-day-2-lori-drew-says-its-not-like-i-pulled-the-trigger
Humm,
first Howard is not crasy to be in front of the camera. He never whant to be the FAMOUS. Anna was his Famous. I also have in my idea it is to avoid frenzy circus, he was part of the one who ask the doc and court to be private. As for Vergie Arthur, IMO, O’Q law Firm, ask her to be low profile cause in the lawsuit. Judge have to decide if she is ,public semi-public or private.I think is the reason why she did not make any public apparence.
Word is McCabe is going to be on the Houston station tonight…if anyone cares.
Gosh, I hope we get to hear about how the deal went today with Art, Bonnie, and I guess Rose……I’m not counting on it, though.
Saves, I completely agree I think that is why she is not out in front of the camera anymore.
Well at least it got her off the airwaves.
How can McCabe be on the tv talking about the case and trying to taint the case…if what I heard was true???
That was the point I was trying to make that they were both being kept out of the news especially VA as she seems to claim to not be a semi famous person LOL
flowerz are you saying McShame is trying the case in the media again.Seems to me that means they are going for broke and want a jury trial and are hoping to sway potential jurors before it even come up.
Well if any1 gets a tip of the Houston TV can u say whether or not it was about either settlement? public apology, blogger case, ET case, ETC. TYIA
I wrote u a joke on earlier blog Daisy.
Is anyone checking Lyndal’s pms? I just sent her one since she was the only one I had a name for from old pm. I can’t get mail at my email address since my pc problems, but would like to get in chat. I need to reregister, but don’t have a new email address yet. Help!
They could have been making it up, but to hear the nuts telling it, it didn’t sound good and yes, trial by media tappering!!!
Flowerz, Would love to have you in the chat, so reregister. I will contact Ken tonight
well, not able to chatt they ask me passcode.I try all I have in my mind but noting work.This is the first time they ask me for
Febbie, Since I had to get a new pc I can’t open my email account. Will I have to go thru email? If not, please tell me how. I’m trying to get used to vista and a new pc and haven’t been able to check my mail for about a week and a half now. Still ccan’t, can’t even get my email addys. I can do the pm if I have a pm name or you pm me. I have missed yall.
Butterfly, the only source I have about him being on tv is from a not reliable site, but they said he read an email from Bonnie and Rose and the mention of money. Like I said, though, not a reliable source.
Swims wrote an interesting post about it and said it was an odd report and the reporter was in the courtroom. You really need to read swims post, it was good.
True Flowers she report the news with a lot of humor.Acurate.Swims is a good head.!!!! what a mc cabe hein???
http://www.myfoxhouston.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=7923743&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1
Downtown Houston Court Plays Host to Anna Nicole Smith Lawsuit
Butterfly, lol
http://www.myfoxhouston.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=7923728&version=1&locale=EN-US
this is the video that has Neil McCabe, click on the picture once you get there.
The thing is no matter who said what in an email won’t the law look at who actually published the article? I mean ppl. say all
kinds of things. In law isn’t what matters is actions?
Neil McCabe has a lot nerve, how about asking youself McCabe about how vicious O’Q was?
He really is a piece of work. does he actually believe ppl are going to buy his line of crap?
I want to tell you something, if someone did that to my brother…I’d want to do a whole
lot more then write about VA love life.
Daisy, I agree! McCabe should not have been allowed to say anything, just like the other lawyers no said “no comment”. He is trying to get a head start tainting the jury. I really hope this case is not tried in Texas.
Another question is why is the judge allowing this in her courtroom?
Do any of you know a judge who would allow an interview in their courtroom that has to do with a case they are
presiding over? Not to mention the more then likely out of context remark and it was a
tainted remark.
I will have to go though all the emails and try to find which one McCabe was referring to but my bet is it is out of context.
BETH-DAISY———-The Article I just read said,Bonnie wrote on the story of Virgie ,stepbrother,I MY BE CONFUSED,but don,t you bring suit against Bonnie ,NOT hOWARD,AS howard never wrote anything.If Howard gave permission,Howard never wrote anything one way or the other,AS it was public knowledge,And if that was in public records,what in God,s name is she suiing about.
HA HA ,VA, PRODUCE a son, sound to me like…
Neil, poor Neil Mc Cabe, he his trying his 5 mint fame. Did I saw the judge was a woman??? Maybe he make her something …on the court house Who know…
Did I saw Ron Rale?? Witch imail do he talk about for proof ???
Millions of dollars for VA dream dream…
Bad we cannot let a comment in fox …regarding this interview,produce a son lol
Does anyone know who those attorney with no comment were? Did Wood send someone else from POGO?
Beverly, where did you read Bonnie wrote the story? I would really like to get a look at that article.
Remember everyone there is a lot of spin out there in regards to this story. Bonnie never wrote a story as far as I know.
What I do know is Jane Devin and annanicoleandhowardkstern & TMZ site wrote the story the lawsuit is using.
Also remember comments under the TMZ story from the owner of the annanicoleandhowardkstern site.
Humor For The Day -’Puff’ Piece about McCabe
FOXNews Local Station in Houston (http://www.myfoxhoustonlive.c om/) led off tonight’s newscast (just after 9 PM local time)with a story about today’s hearing in Harris County regarding VA v. HKS/bloggers/TMZ/etc.
Unfortunately, the reporter provided no details of what was said or done with regard to the case. No mention was made of who was there and for what purpose and what was decided. But the reporter did lay out McCabe’s position and quoted from the McCabe/VA lawsuit as if the allegations had merit. McCabe was shown saying that he has an email from a blogger stating the blogger’s goal was to ‘destroy’ VA and the reporter recounted the TMZ story about VA having a child with her step-brother. McCabe went on to say that he was looking for millions of dollars.
The reporter referred to Lawyers walking away from the cameras having said ‘no comment’ as being the representatives for ’several’ people but didn’t say who those people were. Only McCabe media-whored for the reporter.
Overall, an odd report. The reporter didn’t state the basis of the McCabe/VA lawsuit or the purpose/results of today’s hearing or the positions of any of the defendants. Odd because he was at the Court House with cameras rolling. He left the impression that McCabe was suing because VA had her reputation ‘destroyed’ by some conspiracy spearheaded by HKS, etc. which resulted in a true, but unflattering story about her being posted on TMZ. The reporter never made it clear what difference it would make to anyone to have such a story printed about them or maybe the reporter thought it wasn’t true that VA had a child when she was a child herself with a boy who would later be her step-brother.
So what happened to the claim VA was denied the chance to have visitation rights with DL because of this alleged ‘conspiracy’? How could a reporter be at the Court House and yet have no information about what happened? Why lead a newscast with a story without details?
Posted at 10:40PM on Nov 21st 2008 by Only swim in the Ocean
Well I for one would like to hear from Wood and see some advocacy for Stern that Wood speaks about.
DAISY —IS WAS A WHILE BACK WHEN i was on Topix.
FYI.
http://perezhilton.com/2008-11-22-heaths-family-disapproves-of-book
A family of a deceased love one, fighting for the truth v. collaborating falsity.
It looks like McCabe never passes up a chance to mug for the camera. What a ham he is. Does it really help Virgie’s reputation to repeat the stepbrother story in case anyone missed seeing it? LOL On top of that the story is essentially true. She did have a child by the boy who later became her stepbrother. So what? Does McCabe really think that’s worth millions? GMAB
I agree with Swims that the report was essentially content free as to what happened in court other than it looks like McCabe is trying to drag the same unauthenticated emails back into court again. It looks like he’s getting a fight this time. It really gets me that he could bring that kind of thing into the suit without independent authentication first. Maybe that’s what the fight is about.
IIRC the hearing was about jurisdiction over Howard and Bonnie. So is McCabe trying to use those emails saying that constitutes them doing business in Texas? Does McCabe even know how TMZ got the story? I do recall that family tree thing was on the CTV forum and on Jane Devin’s blog before it was on TMZ.
Daisy
Those attorneys were defendant attorneys. That was Rose, Lyndal, Art and Bonnies lawyers.
Beverly,
I have not seen any of HKS’s sister posts… I did hear a few speak of Bonnie posting in the beginning after ANS’s death. I also seem to remember on this blog reference to something she posted when many were posting on that site that was all for Howard then when seemingly bullied by Texas changed their minds and were all for virgie.
*To answer your question…
I DO NOT BELIEVE that Bonnie ACTUALLY WROTE ‘ON’ the story itself…
In fact if memory serves me correctly, I thought some people on this blog here said that Bonnie was just as worried as they were for that other site to NOT POST ANY story that was not accurate.
This whole case is stupid and I hope once it gets going through the steps of the Court… ** GETS THROWN OUT! **
On whether or not you bring suit against someone (or litigate against them) you should:
MAKE SURE THEY ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE ACTUALLY DONE SOMETHING WRONG AGAINST YOU!
Just like it being utterly ridiculous for Texas to charge Howard with something ANNA SAID!!!!
(Mommy Dearest Video on ET)
*I think the Texas case is very, very weak on actual evidence of any wrongdoing.
When some of the defendants (TMZ, CBS) responded and said they would be asking for their attorney’s fees and the costs…
it takes to prove this is a stupid suit } my words
I thought they (TX) would drop the case and run! Guess they were holding on to try and intimidate HKS in Florida…
(?) Wonder how Texas will proceed now (?)
Oh, an observation on Virgie staying out of the ‘limelight’ to prove she is not a public figure…
Laughable! Because DURING the part of time SHE is suing about; SHE MADE HERSELF A PUBLIC FIGURE AND GOT PAID FOR IT!!! Case closed.
She cannot ESCAPE those videos, e-mails from Splash, all of the TV appearances that she initiated, her telling GVS she got paid $5,000 for her deceased grandson’s photos…
She truly does seem to be lower than the lowest ’sc*m’ of the earth!
Bet she shows up in Court; 100 lbs thinner, her hair the color and the style that Anna wore… Her envy of Anna’s fame is clear as glass!
She seems to be one greedy ‘sick puppy’ in my book! Of course, just my opinion.
Beth you are absolutely correct. Bonnie doesn’t post. Bonnie NEVER wrote any part of those articles on QV’s site. Bonnie had nothing to do with that just as Rose, Lyndal and Theresa had nothing to do with it.
Miss Roxanne!
EXACTLY!
This is one reason I find this suit; and those two stupid avadavats (depositions) from people who were MAD at the sucess of another site to be the only evidence that Texas seems to have!
Well, that and a lot of false accusations…
The truth will be shown and I bet it will cost the Texas team plenty! JMO
I have always known that Bonnie, Rose, Lyndal, Butterfly, Howard, & Art have NEVER done anything wrong! ALSO; TMZ & CBS; (ET)
I just cannot wait until they are all vindicated!
Roxanne, surely Wood had someone there for HKS after all this is a suit claiming Stern defamed VA. Do you know who Wood
sent to represent HKS interest?
PS I understand McCabe is using Stern’s sister and bloggers but the bottom line is this is a case against HKS.
#45 > Great post!
*Millions my BUTT!
TMZ & CBS will wipe the floor with their unsubstantiated accustations!
Very SMART of the lawyers that said NO COMMENT and walked away!
Texas will be surprised that even the majority of people in their State do not think ANY of VA’s actions were credible!
They actually LED the newscast with that story????? Wow! Priorities are a little messed up at that new station, aren’t they?
Beth, personally I think McCabe called FoxNews and gave them a heads up on the hearing, and CBS is a competitor with Fox…so…
Fox ad nothing to air on the news last night, even the reporter was…. Art Harris made a clean up on his blog. Go and look at the last comments. He his a good journalist and O”Q is trying to put him on the mud.
It’s amazing that a certain site always hears about McCabe’s appearance on television in time for them to watch it. What is up with the ‘pack’ turning on Wilma?
I am still mad that McCabe is able to speak out and the other lawyers are saying nother. He is trying to taint the jury, imo.
*nothing
You know what ? some, I should say persons, are completely in love with Mccabe apparence lol!! Doesn’t take to much to get excited in there poor existence.
Thank you Beth——-McCabe is in the right law firm,How can he say with a straight face,Virgie is going for millions.I do not mean to put bloggers down,but,the bloggers have very little to do with How people perceive Virgie,Everyone of her own actions,helped the puplic form a opinion of Anna mother,Yestersay and this morning I went to a wake and funeral of a 22 year old child,that smash his car because he was high on herion.the only way to explain what I saw,is horror.The childs mother was screaming,and the ball bearers were so upset,it took over 45 minutes for them to pick up the casket.I have never been so upset and moved by the love of the family,and the grief,Contrast that with Virgie,actions,who could not wait to eat after viewing her daughter body.who cryed only for the camera,AT the funeral this women went around to everyone and BEGGED people to watch there children.You know,I WISHED AT THAT TIME EVERY YOUNG ADDICT WAS THERE TO SEE THE HEARTACHE.
Wow Beverly your post at first made me laugh and then it broke my heart. Your post was so true, every last word.
Well Daisy seeing that the news cast gave no information on what actually happened and only showed McCabe playing for the camera’s, I have no idea. But, I didn’t see them anywhere on there.
Beverly, that is such a very sad story. I am very sorry for that young person’s family and friends.
Ann - (58) Very astute observation! That had not crossed my mind about the competition between the news stations!
I sometimes get so caught up in the moral emotions of this whole saga… I love to read all of your comments here! Thanks.
McCabe can TRY to ‘project’ his theories all he wants to the public… This does not make them:
>TRUE
>BELIEVABLE
>ILLEGAL (where ANY Court of Law } even in Texas would agree to the garbage he spews) What an immature nutcase! The upstanding lawyers walked away without making asses out of themselves! They are the SMART ones, to not try and manipulate the public opinion like McCabe himself; who is falsely accusing all of the defendants in this case! HA HA! He seems to be the guilty one!
***I bet the virgie lovers, the site that hates this site, the site that puts McCabe up on the pedestal, will try to SPIN this like he actually did something good!
LOL If one of their heros say; peed on a wall out in public…. THEY would praise that act and say that was such a smart person!
I just find these cases State and Federal the most stupidest retaliation case ever! McCabe looked like a buffoon last night saying they are going for millions,
the way I took that is that O’Q must have settled with Howard for millions and he wants his money back, What a joke these people are, so I wonder if on every court date if McC. is going to call the news stations? Well I for one hope that when these cases are thrown out a news reporter is there also, I would love to see the look on their faces as they have another defeat in the the court room all for the sake of greed.
I have a whopping headache,so I am not sure I am understanding McCabe thinking,He wants millions of dollars paid to Virgie,for Virgie making a complete ass of herself to the whole world.He is trying to get dannielynn money and Marshall money,from other sources.as CBS TMZ and Howard Is that why OQ went quietly in the night,?thinking he will give Howard a settlement on one hand and get it back from Virgie on the other hand,A sleaze law firm,with sleaze lawyers.You know,all I can see right now,is McCabe crawling out of the court in the Bahamas,with his head up his butt,,the not so proud peacock,in defeat,of what he wanted,and remembering the fool standing there,with the same smirk Virgie had,BOY they sure were in hiding comming outThe one and only way Virgie could have retrived her reputation.is act like a grandmother,
Remember when Mccraze whent out the Bahamas court and give a long speach telling all against Howard.Look like a fool.
oh by the way ,his apparition last night is it mean this lawsuit will be public?
Would like to see VA’s face .If I was her I wouldn’t like every journalist remain on public this sentence “VA produce a child with her stepbrother” I would like to hide under the bed!
What is up with the chat again? It keeps asking me to register?
Next time I think someone needs to contact the News station and give them the full story not just McCabe’s concocted story and give all the facts how this relates to the Fla, suit and the NY. one, about how O’Q had to settle the case with Howard because O’Q knew he would lose for all the REALLY VICIOUS things he said about Howard. I sure hope that the defendants in this case counter-sue for all the trouble Virgie/O”Q caused, And I think it should be for millions. that would be awesome.
So what is the protection order about if McCabe can do interviews and talk of evidence or am I lost again between state and federal cases here?
SAves I love that word “apparition” still giggling on that word. nice way to put his appearance in perspective
I an only hope that Howard came away with a settlement from O’Q. His reputation will always be questioned by those that still follow the story. Doubt that it matters to him at this point in time tho. I’m sure he would rather have the love of Anna and Daniel by his side than any money that could come his way. Her B-day is coming this next week and as with anyone that has lost a loved one, the first few holidays and B-days are bittersweet. If he does walk away with cash, I doubt he will use much to benefit himself, but to provide for the little girl and to expand on Anna’s legacy.
Funny there’s alot of CYA going on, on another board. And quite a kick for Mr. McCabe to stand in front of a camera and shout to the world of the injustices of Ms Arthur again. With the news media caught up in the election and economy, there won’t be throngs of journislists/gossip freaks chasing them down for ‘THE STORY!!”. Bring it to the forefront again so the local community can chat about it over the dinner table. Again, it boggles the mind who is advising her. And if someone tried, did she listen? Apparently, not.
Yap what is going on with the chatt???Heath give us a clue!!!
If Virgie,s friend from Splash is correct,and Virgie wanted the family feud kept going,it does not compute ,What did she think that would do for her reputation.nothing makes any sense.All that infighting with family,and she blaming Howard,
Saves I am in chat and had no problem getting in, maybe febbie broke it again lol
Saves, I had trouble once using Mozilla and had to switch to internet explorer.
well I have internet ex. but they still ask for passworld??? so I try all I know and doesn’t work sniff!!!
Heath if this Lady broke it maybe it is just for me!!!Maybe she think I talk to much!!!Help someone !!!
oh saves I am there waiting for you… maybe empty cookies or something
Heath,they ask me for a PASSWORLD and I don’t have any.NO passcode! NOT COOKIES,PASSWORLD!
save, Ken might have protected your name so no one else can use it. Let me see if I can get you some help.
Thanks so much daisy,Sun ad the same problem yesterday
save they are working on it
So sweet Daisy big H*(****)
big hug to you too save
#76..yes Bev. It does not compute. Condolences also for the loss of the child/young man. The mothers pain is something you can understand. My son was flown into the ER a few days back. For hours they just shot him up with more painkillers when the pain got too bad only to bandage him up and made an appt. with a surgeon on Mon. I don’t have alot of respect for the medical field at this moment and if not for the post-op nurse, I would of been more of a basket case than I was. And because I feel totally brain dead, I laid around and watched too many episodes of Trading Spouses today. The last one was about a mother who felt her family would think she was a monster because of her views and not want her around anymore. And all these thoughts run thru my head on how could a mother be so heartless and I don’t want to believe that there is a Mom like that out there altho there probably are. Just can’t wrap my head around it, and try to reason why. Doubt if I’ll ever know.
I read in one of the O’Quinn articles that he donated quite a bit of money to a woman judge in the Harris country courts.Sure hope this is not the one and I hopr she decides just what the federal court did that the bloggers do not belong in this case,McShame talks about vicious maybe some one should show the posts about the stern family and others who believe in Howard.What happened with the stepbrother story was nothing compared with being called a M or being told you would be shot etcI don’t know if it would help or not but I would hope that those kinds of posts from TMZ and topix are shown also.They are much much worse than anything I have heard said about arthur
sorry hope
BEWILDERED——What was wrong with your son?I cannot sleep,my friends crying and screaming is going over and over in my head,I watched that program a few times,but why do they always make the husbands look stupid or lazy.?The more I think about what happened the last few days,the more I feel talking to children is not the right thing,Showing is better than talking,Every person has to feel loved and wanted,This boy,was not a all american or a super person,he was just one regular guy,who like daniel, wanted to fit in with his peers.MY THANKGIVING PRAYER,will be,more parents ,take time each day,and say I love you to each other. McCabe statement,Virgie wants millions,says it all, BEWILDERED i PRAYERS ARE WITH YOU AND YOUR SON.
Got a couple hours sleep.and worke up with this thought,Could it be possibe McCabe wants to settle,with it be sealed,thus putting in the public heads Virgie got millions,Going on TV AGAIN and making a false impression,so when he caves people will think Virgie got what she wanted.This could all be a set up to make Virgie look good,I find it a bit weird,when Virgie is fighting to regain her reputation,he Lawyer on TV SAYING SHE WANTS MILLIONS,Is that supposed to help her nick name of GREEDY GRANDMA.
And by the way,VIRGIES OWN LAWYER fixed VirgiE butt as far as visitation,partical custody,or any thing else with Dannielynn,She can stop putting the blame on Howard CBS or TMZ,How in the hell did she or her lawyers,think Larry,a new daddy felt when he heard OQ say ON NATIONAL tv he can visit his child summers and weekends,Virgie should have Dannielynn,OQ HURT HIS OWN CLIENTS REPUTATION.
Bewildered - hoping things go well with your son and sending positive thoughts your way.
93 Beverly - Yes Virgie should be thinking about how her lawyers put “winning” ahead of family.
Save, I don’t know if you got to chat last night but Ken says you have a pw.
ken says, “I can change her pw to something new, have her email me with what she wants or I can just pick one for her and send it”.
Good morning all.
Fifi & Beverly, I also think that the Texas team put winning any part of a ‘control’ on that baby’s potential future assets BEFORE the family!
Though to be honest… I never thought that VA ACTUALLY WANTED to take care of Dannielynn! I remember in one of her interviews she said that she would if she had to…
The only subject in any of the interviews she made CLEAR was when she LAID IT OUT about having Larry’s dad and someone from her family monitor Larry so Dannielynn would not receive a Porsche when she was 14 years old! LOL She even said it ‘did not have to be her’… Who then? Her lawyer?
As, is there ANYONE in ANS’s family who could have done that? The whole idea is and was ridiculous anyway!
I have a feeling it made sense in her mind though.
It is funny, I have never heard too many ‘thoughts or defenses’ from the few virgie lovers on the subject of her going on national TV to say Dannielynn’s biological dad needed monitoring by her and her representatives!
I believe that NO COURT IN THE STATES would EVER grant even supervised visits with that woman! As the Court is not in the practice of agreeing to the defamation of the only living biological parent! There is NO Judge that would order Larry to let that woman see his daughter AFTER VA’s Lawyer said he was just a sperm donor. After her lawyer said (threatened in a way on TV) the Bahamas give MORE ‘weight’ to the grandparents than the US; and Larry could have visitation! Then if you add the times VA went on and implied that Larry NEEDED to have her or her family ‘in partial charge of Anna’s estate’!!!
Remember the last thread? Dismissed WITHOUT Injury (prejudice) (&) Dismissed WITH Injury?
***Well if this case in Texas is dismissed (finished; concluded) it will be done WITHOUT Injury I believe.
note: I have seen others on different sites that get all excited…. and talk about cases getting dismissed.
It does NOT mean that the case was thrown out! Cases are dropped when there is not enough evidence to go forward, and sometimes dismissed for not following legal procedure, ect…
Well, off to cook a ham; glaxzed w/ dark brown sugar and a turkey breast… having an earlier dinner for some of the family that will not be home this week.
Have a great day everyone! A bit cool and foggy here, though it is not quite 8:00 am so I am hoping it will warm up!
LOL I guess I’d better ‘GLAZE’ that ham instead of glaxzed it!
I guess I need more coffee!
Hope to pop in for a few minutes in chat this evening… need directions on re-registering though. Thanks.
So much energy for me !!!I will imail Ken thanks again..
Bewildered, what is tuching you that hard ???There is a forum to were we can speak.I am so sorry about what I read….
VA,VA, since the begining of the trail in Florida for Anna ’s body, her lawyers took a way that help destroy her reputation more than enything else..She should sue her lawyers lol
Son was hurt at work. He’ll be OK and he will heal. Last time I was at that hospital, the kid did not fare as well but he lived. Just watching him go thru the pain was hard. After we got home, he was eating pain killers like candy trying to cope with it. Warned him that is not what you want to do!! So wrapping my head around the fact that Virgie had to know the kind of pain Anna was in! I would of sold my soul to be close to my child! And those screams Bev, that keep you awake. How can you not sympathize? Unless the blood in your viens runs cold.
This is just one of MANY on how custody of Dannielynn was already settled a couple weeks before they are saying this alleged defamation caused it. Specifically states LB won the custody battle and he is UNWILLING to share custody with Virgie. It was his decision and nothing anyone else did after this time did anything to change his decision
http://news.sawf.org/GOSSIP/35785.aspx
Beth #96, the Porsche instance was one of many that she said something different. That was to help control the estate
Then there was the one that stated she didnt want it if LB was found to be the father.
Then OQ stated at Ritas book party that she wanted custody
LOVE glazed ham Beth…on my way
BEW,when it come to our childs …. myself I come more dangerous then a tiger,and when they surfer it is in our body we feel it! So sorry and understand what you are going thru. Sent energy to your son and you. I am so sorry for him.
McCabe’s statement about seeking “Millions” is dreaming on his part. Does McCabe think he is playing with amateurs here? Those Attorney’s hired by ET and the others know exactly what they are doing and will represent their clients to the fullest, which is why they are paid the big bucks by these organizations. McCabe seems to think he can win this case from supposed e-mails, the man is nuts. If this is the case then the e-mails from David Leigh selling Virgie before Anna’s death and even before the ET interview aired along with her many interviews will prove Virgie created her own bad reputation as far as the public is concerned. None of this kept Virgie from getting custody or visitation of Dannielynn that was Larry’s decision. Another thing the decision the Bahamas court made in reference to Larry taking Dannielynn home in his custody had nothing to do with what was going on here in the US. The Bahamas courts plainly said the custody issue was out of their hands and that the matter should be taken up in the US courts. Virgie never pursued the matter once everyone one returned to the US, so how is it she was denied any of these rights McCabe is stating if she never pursued them on US soil.
JMA——Unless I am reading Virgie wrong,I think she is trying to claim,because of the tape.(anna tape on ET) which put her in a bad light and the thing with the stepbrother she cannot have a recourse with the court and win.No court would award her ,to be dog catcher never mind custody of Dannielynn,I think Larry would make the biggest mistake ever letting dannielynn near her,VIRGIE WOULD USE IT FOR A PHOTO OP.The way I SEE IT,Virgie,thinks she is losing money every which way.no charging admission to Anna gravesite,no Dannielynn pictures with her to sell,no Marshall money.so lets try and make money,this way SUE EVERYONE,
JMA I left you a post in the forums hope it helps.
Bewildered, I am happy to hear your son is ok. I will keep you and your family in my thoughts and prayers!!
It’s Grey cup day in Canada today, so it’s party time around my house ( well party for everyone but me as I have to do all the cooking lol) Our favorite team is playing so it should be exciting.
I know all you Americans are going Grey cup? WTH is that lol…………..Well it is our football playoff’s, kinda like your super bowl only ALOT smaller, and most of the time it is played in the snow ( just kidding) I am hoping I can feed hubby lots of boose and good food and then he will go to sleep early and I can have some time for chat LOL………..Does that make me an enabler?????????? Ha Ha!!!!!!!!!!
Have a wonderful day everyone!!!!!!
Bewildered I am so sorry to hear about your son. They can be the biggest pain in the bum and the best thing to ever happen to uis.
Keeping you in my thoughts as well and hope all goes well.
Bewildered
I’m glad that your son is going to be ok. I know all about those screams. It makes you feel lower than dirt that your child can be in so much pain and all you can do is hit the nurses button and ask them to give them something else for it and then try to comfort them in some way until it comes. I get chills remembering it and he was only 11 years old at the time and would just give me this look that just begged for me to make it stop…..
I’m sorry for taking up space on the forum about my son, but I do appreciate all of your good wishes and prayers. Thank you all so much.
Back to the topic and a very happy holiday to all.
Bewidered… you are more than welcome to our good wishes.
Tianna yes that makes you an enabler lol we had New Zealand beat Australia in Rugby and not a good thing,anyone but the Kiwis.Sulking males.
Bewildered sorry to hear about your son hope everything gets better for you both. You are right Virgie knew exactly what kind of pain Anna was in after losing Daniel and instead of her running to Anna’s side; Virgie chose the media route instead. In my opinion that is not, what a mother is supposed to do in order to comfort their child regardless if they are a celebrity and in Anna and Virgie’s case estranged. This tragedy could have brought them back together if only Virgie was willing to take that step and in my opinion, Virgie was not.
Beverly, in my opinion Virgie put herself in a bad light the moment she chose to use the media to make accusation against Anna and Howard. The ET video was Anna’s word regardless of what Virgie wants to think, and no one should be held accountable for Anna telling the world what she thought of Virgie.
Kate [106] I got your message, Thank You. I left you one back
I WANT TO WISH EVERYONE A PEACEFUL AND HAPPY THANKGIVING,MAY THE GOOD LORD WATCH OVER EVERYONE OF US,AND hOWARD AND HIS FAMILY LARRY AND HIS FAMILY,I AM THANKFUL TO ROSE AND KEN FOR ALLOWING ME TO VOICE MY OPINION.EVERYONE ENJOY YOUR THANKGIVING,GOD BLESS
Bev sure hope you have better nights and days to come.I know that thinking back is painful so I try very hard not to. Bewildered so glad your son is ok so far and hope all goes well with his recovery.
Bewildered, best wishes to you and your son. There is nothing more painful than seeing your child in pain., and you can’t make ti dissapear.
I’m thinking that McCabe created a bad sceniaro with his news “blurb”. What he did was alert all those who are always eager to rush in with their hands out to share in the “loot”, whether there is a win or not. IMO Bad Karma!
Happy thanksgiving to all.
Bewildered, wishing your boy a full and speedy recovery.
Butterfly re 100, good find!
rose/ken - I can’t get in to chat, also, as it keeps asking me for a password I don’t have (I never set one up..ooops).
Hmm—-I will be leaving in the morning for a week to spend with my sister and her son and grandchildren.but,I had a call about half hour ago from my friend,and she tells me they are going to put a bench on the bike path,which runs along the ocean,and dedicate,the bench to her son,this will be done in spring,He also loved the ocean,
I would like to make a correction on one of my post I thought McCabe was in the courtroom when he made his speech but he was just outside the courtroom. The reason I thought it was in the courtroom was because all the cameras were in there.
I can’t see anywhere on the video where Wood sent anyone to represent HKS. I am very concerned about this case because I don’t understand why, if a settlement was reached in Fl., this case was not dismissed in that settlement. I am back to where I was last week with Wood and don’t understand him nor do I believe he is looking out for Howard. If he would have been in the game, no way that little self promoting from McCabe would have happened Fri. I read though a lot of emails and I believe the email McCabe references is out of context.
This whole thing is beginning to stink and I feel really bad because I was a huge cheer leader for Wood. It is BS McCabe was able to get those camera’s in the courtroom and to say what he did with absolutely no defense for HKS, once again, left standing out in the cold and this time by the person who is suppose to be protecting him. I am done with Wood and I think it would be in HKS best interest to get rid of him.
I remember Greta being very sarcastic about Lin Wood and his letter writing campaign saying that is all he does is write a lot of letters (paraphrasing). I remember being upset with her but you know what she might know more then me and he might not be all we think.
Everyone have a wonderful Happy Thanksgiving and may the spirit of the holiday be with you.
Is Wood holding up to his agreement via his statement when HKS hired him?
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/04-09-2007/0004561809&EDATE
“And to those who believe that Mr. Stern is hesitant to bring suit and
thereby open up his life on cross examination during the discovery process,
you are wrong. Mr. Stern has nothing to hide and he correctly views civil
litigation not only as the forum for obtaining accountability for
wrongdoing, but also as a forum for the public to learn the truth.”
I ask why is everything now sealed if the intentions were to have this opened?
There are many statements made by Wood that he is not holding up to what he
said he would do. How the hell did McCabe get away with what he did Fri after
re-reading Woods statement…it is making me really rethink my position
when it comes to Wood
Daisy,
I believe that court appearance was solely regarding Ogden’s special appearances on Bonnie & Art re: Jurisdictional and another motion by McCabe re: doc production on SELECT defendants. Normally, with the NEW Judge, EVERY defendant is required to attend EVERY hearing (or their representative). Such as the case with this one, it had nothing to do with me, so I only had to write the court and let them know I would not be attending. I am thankful for that option as opposed to all telephone conference not an option
Dear Butterfly,
I wish you could be here to have some of that ham!
It turned out good this year! I have learned some tricks along the way…
I cut 1/4 inch slats 1′ apart, then cross cut so there are diagonals. Then I put whole cloves in the cross cuts, and the last 45 minutes mix honey, a touch of mustard, and 2 cups of dark brown sugar; add a touch of hot water then pour it on the ham. I cooked a turkey breast along with it and had all the goodies like stuffing, mashed potatoes, gravy, rolls, cranberry sauce and pies. I am stuffed!
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I am just guessing here but I do not believe that HKS has been actually determined to be a defendant, due to the jurisdiction process not being completed yet. I know that Lin would represent Howard any time that it is necessary or appropriate. If by chance there was a time that Lin should be doing something for Howard and didn’t… I am positive that Howard would ask him to correct it. They are both smart lawyers and they both want the same outcome.
Well, that is what I believe on the matter of Lin Wood doing the best he can for HKS.
In regards to Mr. Woods holding up his agreement, IMO I don’t feel Mr.Stern is hiding the truth about himself, although is he withholding(public viewing) information in regards to Anna? Daniel? Probably, yes! I’m sure the right people have seen the info but does every Tom, Dick and Harry need to see it too?
JMO
If we are to believe Anna’s so-called friends, and estranged family, WHY THE LAWSUITS? Against a man Anna considered family! JMO (perhaps jealously?)
Why the lawsuit? Money, money, money. It has always been about money with Virgie. This story about her having a child with her future step brother didn’t destroy her image. Her actions did. And I don’t get the fact that QV is now a hero when it was she that printed that damn story to begin with. I have to wonder what kind of proof they will give that Anna was under the influence of Stern when she said all that stuff about mommie dearest. Do you really think that a juror will believe that Anna made all of this up by using Missy’s life?
DiamondGirl, I agree with you it is all about money. I strongly feel there is no way O’Quinn’s law firm is representing Virgie Arthur for free so this suit could be away for O’Quinn to get back some of the money he has put out for his client, but Virgie may not be aware of the hidden cost coming her way yet. A lot of money and a lot of time has went into this suit, there are many fees accumulating. It would not surprise me if down the road we see another lawsuit like the Birkhead, Opri but this time it will be O’Quinn, Arthur. It is not as if O’Quinn has not ripped off or lied to his clients before and threw in hidden cost.
I have one word for this Texas lawsuit “STUPID”
Missy’s misfortune seems to have extended her 15 into 30. I read a link to her book on Amazon that a documentary is in the works about Anna. Wonder whose going to be on the big screen in that one?
http://www.amazon.com/Wished-%2522The-Evolution-Nicole-Smith%2522/dp/0981451306/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_k2a_1_txt?pf_rd_p=304485601&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-2&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=0446406112&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0AP75J1GTYV8ZFWAN0G5
Sometime in ‘08?? Must be either on hold or scheduled for next year.
I believe Missy may very well have been abused as she displays many of the side affects of abuse but to
say Anna stole her story is ridiculous. Many of these stories of child abuse sound the same and show many of the same
attributes. Anna and Missy more then likely were friends due to they shared the same problems often we are attracted
to ppl that way, even if Anna left her story unspoken at that time.
I understand why it took so long for Anna to speak and so do many other
ppl who have studied child abuse.
Butterfly, I understand what you are saying but my point is if Wood were in this game he would not have allowed
McCabe air time.
Off Topic, I am so relieved we are going to have a president with all his brain cells in tacked. I had no idea
alcohol effected the brain and ruins intelligence to the extent it does.
How can Lin Wood force McCabe not to get on the air? as well, this is the OQ/VA lawsuit against HKS, not the other way around. I am sure their will be some more media regarding this.. just probably not the way McCabe would like it!
Daisy, why do you think that Woods would be able to control what McCabe does or say? You must have heard the old saying “Give enough rope and they will hang themselves with it”. Or something to that affect. I really believe that they (Stern & Woods) have a plan, which we know nothing of.
As far as Missy, I think she is a skank to use Anna’s death as her stepping stone for money. No wonder she gets along with Virgie. I do not believe Missy was abused. Sorry. I do believe that Anna was just by her interview and the very little she said. I think Missy took Anna’s story not the other way around. And what are the many side affects of abuse?
Bewildered, that must be what everyone is talking about. Missy keeps telling everyone that she has something in the works and everyone will know come January.
Makes me sick that every Tom, dick and Harry can make a dime off of Anna…………..What a disgusting thing for a so called friend to do!!!!
Ok even though I reregistered and changed my password, I still cannot get into chat. I have no idea what I am doing wrong.
Kate, I agree with you about it not being disclosed. When Howard did seem to fudge a little on the stand, it was when it concerned anything that would make Anna look bad, even if it made him look bad. That is why I think maybe all of the trials will be like that. And, the more the “so called friends” hear, the more books and lieds there will be.
Daisy I rather agree with you on Missy being abused to, the signs are very clear when you see the lives she and Anna lived and the friendship they had, but
I feel Missy has no right to claim that Anna was not. We all know that Missy is showing her support for Virgie and is accusing Anna of stealing her childhood abuse
memories. If they were as good as friends as Missy claims then she would show her support for Anna but we know that is not happening due to Missy wants to help
Team Texas by keeping Virgie in a good light and having the whole world think Anna made up her accusations against Virgie.
Wonder who will be funding the supposed documentary that Missy has in the works, wasn’t her first book independently funded by her and her husband?
Tianna [132] I really don’t see how much more of a story Missy could give about her time spent with Anna it was only six years. There is no way Missy can give
accurate accounts to Anna’s childhood since she was not part of it and after their departure Missy had no idea what was really going on in Anna’s life.So anything
Missy writes about the time before/after hers and Anna’s friendship is purely fiction.
Seems with some of the things Missy is now revealing about the abuse she supposedly went through, I haven’t seen anywhere that Anna gave the same accounts to her
own abuse so how is it Anna was using Missy abuse as her own. On the other hand, is it just that “A Story” as far as Missy is concerned? My hope is that someday
Joyce Wagner writes her book with the audio tapes where Anna is telling her about her childhood and the abuse. Matter of fact isn’t Joyce on the witness list for one of
the suits.
How can I private message flowerz if I cant get to anyones name anymore? Do yall still use that?
Yes, Joyce Wagner is on the witness list for BOTH Texas suits, I believe.
Or flowerz if u have my personal email, or can get it from someone here that knows it, will u email me. TIA
butterfly [139] thanks.
Let me try to make my point more clear. What happen Friday with McCabe was wrong and someone should have been there to put
the truth on the record. When Wood got into this he gave a statement and I took him at his word.
After doing a lot of research this weekend I think Howard will walk away with little money
and his reputation still in the gutter, much like the Ramsey’s.
Richard Jewell, the press did a better job rehabilitating his rep but he stated
he bought his mother a place to live and 73 percent of the settlement money went to his attorneys and taxes
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14029576/
I just don’t feel good about this guy anymore. And the Greta midnight call is just weird.
http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2008/02/22/good-morning-open-thread/
Look at the Ramsey’s they found the DNA of the murderer (under her fingernails, in her panties and more in touch DNA),
they also have a footprint, know where he entered the home
They know someone else killed their child yet a lot of ppl still believe they killed their child. I know there will always be
people who believe the worse but if you hire an attorney to help rehab your reputation and if all he does is line his pockets, what
good is he?
And I still have not found out why Beth Holloway got away from him, only know she did.
JMA, Missy is what she is and might never change. She displays delusional behavior and most definitely shows signs of
an abused child.
She has no right to take Anna’s pain and make it hers and she of all ppl. should know better but in reality it is all she knows,
abuse. Her husband/publisher writes like an abuser per the letter he wrote to me. She appears to only know abuse and
probably thinks it is normal. You really have to feel sorry for her.
There is no way Anna was acting on the ET interview and if VA wants to go that route, what can I say there might be more
of her history shown to the public via her own actions. That is if someone wakes up and starts fighting this case.
Daisy I agree, Anna was not acting or under the influence while doing the ET interview. In addition, you are right if Virgie wants to continue her charades then yes
much more of her past [while raising her children] could become public.
Furthermore, Missy has no right to try to cover Anna’s pain by jumping on the Team Texas bandwagon claiming Anna was directed on making those accusations
or made up them up herself. Besides, doesn’t Missy story debunk Virgie’s claim that Howard was behind Anna making the claims on ET? Missy claims that she was
around when Anna would tell others about being abused as a child [Missy’s story stolen] and supposedly confronted Anna on that, which by the way was before Anna
met Howard.
The same Beth Holloway that was part of Rita’s book signing party?
# 133 Diamond, you were suppose to have an email with the pw. If you are still having trouble he can reset it manually.
All the girlls who are having problems, follow the reregister rule and wait for the email and enjoy the chat!
Missy is one of the crowd over there, so she will do as they do, what they do the best LIE!!!
I want to save my opinion about L.Wood until all the cases are handled, I just don’t know that much about the law and legal strategies, from everything I have heard of him he has integrity and with Howard also being a atty, I don’t think he would let himself get screwed, I have faith that going into this with Howard they had a plan and until I hear Howard say he is unhappy with Wood, I will wait to see the outcome, I agree with so many that we don’t know what is really happening, But without really knowing I don’t want to speculate if he is doing all he can or not, I learn so much from everyone’s opinions and knowledge I truly appreciate that….
I really don’t know that much about Missy, I think it is just another person trying to make a buck of Anna, and without Anna here to dispute anything said about her it is just fiction to me, I do think it is horrible for any so called friend to say that Anna was not abused, How in the world could anyone make that claim? I think Anna was abused, she said she was abused and at the time Anna did the ET interview Virgie did not dispute the fact with Anna. I believe every word Anna said, not someone that was even in her life, a very sad fact is that children are abused and all I hear is that Virgie worked so hard when Anna was young, How does Virgie know she was not? she doesn’t. with Virgie having been married to and having a stepson being convicted molesters, I think that denial runs way deep with her.
Also I was thinking about Daniel and what Anna was saying in the Et interview, Anna said that her mother did not know her son and she did not know Anna, but yet Virgie took it upon herself to state things she had no idea about like Daniel did not do drugs, Only the ones closest to Daniel would know the true answer to that, I can only speak from experience but some time ago when I was young I don’t really think that there was much peer pressure that I saw but I do know that teenagers and young adults think that nothing is going to happen to them and they do experiment not thinking of what the outcome could be. A person could just be experimenting and not a chronic user and die. drugs are another very sad fact in our society, There is a commercial that is on our local stations here and it is teenagers talking about that they don’t need to go out and get drugs because so many prescription drugs are in the home, that is also so sad but true.
To Butterfly, Rose, Lyndal, Flowerz, Lucky, Maryst and all the others here who have been stalked and harrassed, I would like to make an appology. I did believe you folks were being targeted, but not 100% (I honestly found it hard to believe). I never imagined how co-ordinated, spiteful and pre-meditated that campaign of intimidation was.
I am very surprised at some of the comments.
Everyone does have a right to voice different opinions… but then I do wonder sometimes if just ’stuff’ is sometimes stated to get a ‘rise’ or ‘return comments’ from the initial remarks.
I will try and glide by that ’stuff’… it is hard and aggravating though, as I do not believe the content is even truly believed by the initiator. Maybe just a reason for more conflict or recognition?
But then that is my opinion.
I believe that Holloway did not need a lawyer to protect her from the press anymore when her daughter’s case was not in the media outlets 24/7. Why pay a lawyer if you no longer need them? He was not replaced was he?
Well, I guess I will either try to ‘glide’ better or quit looking at all.
My last thought to add is: NO ONE KNOWS how many millions HKS got from O’Quinn, I believe it was way more than one. I am also sure that Howard picked the person HE CHOSE to represent him, and the only opinion that matters on if Lin is doing a good job should be Howard’s opinion. If Lin wasn’t doing a great job. HKS would replace him. HKS is a grown man, a lawyer who should know who he wants in his life to help him.
That is my final comment on this thread, I will come back on a different subject on this saga maybe. Thanks.
Took a nap and after I woke up, tuned to topix and most all of it is gone!
Yes Beth he was replace by John Q Kelly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHeqjDk_kpg
Interesting comment you made and for the record my thoughts are mind and think it is rude to falsely accuse me
because they are stated. This is a discussion board and as such will continue with my thoughts. I have been here
since the beginning, encouraged Wood but now have reservations about him and want to say it, not saying any
thing as fact, only a gut feeling. Something feels wrong. What do you want me to do, not say anything and wait? I could
but don’t want to, saying it again something feels wrong with this case. If I’m wrong will gladly, more then happy
to say it but for now it is the way I feel and pray I am wrong about this feeling.
I am very uneasy about Wood and can’t help it. Re-read his statement when Howard took him and in my opinion Wood
is absolutely not holding up to his end of the bargain. There are many reasons for having this uneasy feeling, and can’t deny them
to keep others happy. I am sure you would not want me to do that. I respect you don’t agree with me and know how you feel, let’s
leave it at that.
My final comment to you is this, we don’t know what Howard signed, it might not be as easy to replace him IF he wanted to.
And we don’t know IF Howard is happy or not, we just don’t know.
Fifi, I know exactly what you are saying, felt the same way until it happen to me. It is very hard to understand what it is like
until you are a victim of internet bullying, was cavalier when people tried to warn me.
Butterfly, I still am not able to look at my email yet with this new pc. By the way my pc was showing threats, I think they were able to see my every move on the pc…possibly even my email. Because I had to change the pw at one point and now none of them work. I need to call SBC but have kept putting it off. I can’t even get my address book on there. I can’t get to the first page here, either. I go straight to the blog. I have clicked everywhere trying to get to the main page to get help…..I guess I’m getting dumber by the day!
Fifi, I was shocked to find out how far they took their snooping on me, so don’t feel bad. I had decided that they just managed to get my address and name and found the rest someway else, even though, it sure sounded like I had had a visitor. Too many odd things was right. I figured they got my family’s names from when my dad had died a couple of years ago, but that didn’t really fit, either, because they had him as alive and talking to my sisters. The very idea that she drove her butt all the way over here to take a picture of me really burns my butt, wish I knew her name. Are there new documents out yet, or are they just advertising for QV at topix? It had Stern and OQ, but I didn’t want to click on a link since they may have been where my other pc was messed up.
Fifi, the ones I feel sorry for are the ones living in Texas, I hate to think of how much they have gone through since I only had one crazy near me.
Butterfly, I don’t have your email addy.
Febbie, they act like they are mad at Missy is what I’m getting out of them. May be an act, who knows. They are hating on Wilma, Targets, and Missy these days. Makes me wonder if Wilma put the blame on them for spreading stuff.
Daisy, I still have a lot of faith in Lin Wood. I think before all the cases are over, Howard will have his reputation back. Just a few are still following the cases, but maybe one of them will be exposed and I hope it is Virgie’s.
From swims on TMZ
“622. UPDATE: Judge Dimitrouleas in the HKS v. O’Q et al case (Doc #247)
Appears the Settlement Agreement itself was filed under seal and the Court is awaiting the Joint Stipulation for Dismissal with prejudice to follow. The Order reads:
ORDER GRANTING PLAINTIFF’S MOTION TO FILE DOCU_MENTS UNDER SEAL AND SETTING DEADLINE TO FILE JOINT STIPULATION FOR DISMISSAL WITH PREJUDICE
THIS CAUSE is before the Court upon the Plaintiff Howard K. Stern’s Motion to File Docu_ment under Seal [DE 246] and Plaintiff’s Response to Order to Show Cause [DE 246] filed on November 18, 2008. The Court has carefully considered the Motion and the Response, and is otherwise fully advised in the premises.
Accordingly, it is ORDERED AND ADJUDGED as follows:
1. Plaintiff’s Motion to File Docu_ment under Seal [DE 246] is hereby GRANTED;
2. Parties shall file a joint stipulation of dismissal with prejudice on or before December 4, 2008.
Failure to comply with this Order may result in dismissal of this case.
DONE AND ORDERED in Chambers at Fort Lauderdale, Broward County, Florida this 21st day of November, 2008.
Posted at 7:28PM on Nov 24th 2008 by Only swim in the Ocean”
Heath, I sent you a pm.
Chat anyone? Hey Beth if you can please come to chat, I need your knowledge. thanks
Hi Flowerz I got your pm and raise you another…. lol
No seriously I am a dopey broad.. there is still the old forums pm and the new forums pm. you used the old forum pm and I answered but I would bet a book Ken sent stuff to the new forum,s pm. Now that would explain a few things lol
go have a look :)))))
dont worry about it flowerz… i had a question about something that has now disappeared
Flowerz he did send it to new forum, I ask him yesterday to do it, since you did not have an email.
Febbie, where do I get it at? I didn’t have any new pm’s when I pm’d Heath for it.
Butterfly, maybe we will eventually end up in chat together and you can ask me whatever you would like.
I should have learned by now, not to read from the bottom up! I’m going to see if I can find my pw.
I don’t know what is happening at topix, but it appears they are sorting out posts to me. The first page just shows my posts, and others are saying they are only seeing their’s. Something is going on.
I have forgotten the password to the New forum, I forgot it a long time ago, that’s why I haven’t been posting in there. Poor Pitiful Me….CRS sucks!
Well, She Swim in a good Ocean!! now it is clear like a water in the river(when the water still clear) Until 4 of december it should be finish, hope so. And for Christmas we deserve a nice gift: news ! Daisy I know how you fell about LW. We will esperate a sign in the good direction…
I still believe in Wood and I still believe that Wood nor Howard would have settled for less than what they expected. And even though I sure would have enjoyed reading the documents I can understand why Howard wished to have them sealed. This have been a public circus since Daniel and Anna died, maybe there were confidential documents about Anna….maybe he’s still trying to protect her. I don’t find it odd that they are sealed.
Me either NC..why show your hand when there are still cases out there?
Bewildered…yeap exactly. Wood and Stern are smart. THey both know what they are doing and are making decisions that are in their best interest. imo …
HAPPY THANKSGIVING EVERYONE!
Flowerz you make me laugh girl. Know all about crs.
Topix fell apart, and I could not help but laugh at the fools looking for their post. Maybe housecleaning, or bathroom cleaning, whatever, it worked
Febbie I was reading that, yes it is hilarious. I am waiting for them to blame it on Lin Wood for having something to do with it being gone and by the
way they are questioning one another it is only a matter of time before they do.
Off topic here but I wanted to share this.
My wonderful Hubby got me a new little kitty which I will have in another week. The reason I wanted to share is because I was trying to come up with a
name for her and have decided to call her “Daisie” yes, Daisy I kind of stole it from you but with an “ie” instead of the “y”
Enjoy the new kittie JMA! Daisie is a great name
I hope every1 is getting ready for the Holidays. I’m not even going to where I usually travel to, so just the kids and I. I made my FIRST Thanksgiving dinner a few years ago… only the turkey survived! I can cook but it was just overwhelming that particular year and ONLY I doing it, so I guess I will try again 
I just recently got back my Internet and a new(used-new 2 me:) ) computer so need to redo the chat thing and try to get in there to meet with yall.. Been a long time.
Question fifi…. What made you suddenly believe? And what made you not believe @ first? Just curious!
The case settlement has NOT been filed. Swims is mistaken on that.
11/24/2008 247 Order Granting Motion to file documents under seal and Setting Deadline to file Joint Stipulation of Dismissal with prejudice on or before 12/4/2008. Signed by Judge William P. Dimitrouleas on 11/21/2008. (vp) (Entered: 11/24/2008)
This gave HKS permission to file under seal the reason they haven’t filed an actual settlement yet. That is the “Order to show cause.” It also extends the original deadline for filing the “Joint Stipulation of Dismissal with prejudice”, in other words any settlement, until December 4.
That’s all this is. Rose is trying to get an article up about it and hopefully it will be up soon.
Thank you butterfly I will enjoy having a baby kitty in the house it has been a while. Yes doing the whole Thanksgiving dinner is overwhelming we usually go to
families house’s but have decided to stay home this year so I will be doing ALL the cooking and already feeling quite overwhelmed.
Roxanne thanks for updating us and am looking forward to the next article.
Just a note about chat. I tried the password that was emailed to me to get into chat and it still keeps asking me for a password. Please email me or remove name and I will try reregistering yet again, let me know which option you are choosing to do.
working on it DiamondGirl.
Butterfly - I knew folks were being harrassed, but I was never sure of the extent of the harrassment or whether it was just a couple of the Biddies doing stuff on their own. Recently someone has been leaking posts from the “Trainwreck” site where they were boasting to each other about it.
First off Bev I am happy you are getting away for awhile you sound like you need a break .IMO both Howaard and Lin Wood know what they are going after.Why does everyone think it was howard that wanted it sealed it may have been O’Quinn’s team.They may not have wantedd anything out there that could do harm to there case in Texas.That seems the most likely case to me and Lin and Howard agreed to it to keep things going and to protect Anna’s name.
Seems to me that the Texas case could not be dismissed with the case against O’Quinn it is a case of VA against everyone,a seperate case and VA would have to ok it.The two are completely seperate at least as far as I can see.The FL. case was Howard againsr O;quinn the Texas case Va against everyone she could think off
Fifi— That is actually what I was looking for flowerz for yesterday. Did anyone make copies of those posts///would like to see them. I found a couple on flowerz but no one else. Would REALLY appreciate it. TIA
hmm, I am looking at the Fl. case the same way you are looking at VA sues everyone.
A while back when they were leaking information about the Fl. case my comment to them was
it would not matter what Wood and O’Q agreed upon Howard would have to sign the agreement.
What they were leaking was something I felt was not in Howard’s best interest.
IMO and if it was me, if I was happy with the settlement, it would not take me this long to sign it.
Not knowing what is in the settlement, it still being tentative for this long gives me reason to think someone
is not happy and I am only guessing who.
I read what Roxanne stated, “HKS permission to file under seal the reason they haven’t filed an actual settlement yet. ”
which leaves me more to believe it is Howard not happy with this settlement and remembering Howard’s words, reading
Wood initial statement and reading Woods words furthers my belief.
( http://www.rosespeaks.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&op=getit&lid=747 )
Does anyone remember what court doc and in what case [LOL] some of the bloggers are outed in a case filing and I mentioned how 1 had my area cod. Does anyone remember that? TIA
I sort of remember butterfly but can’t remember the court doc or case, sorry.
Butterfly, keep an eye on Topix, someone is telling the secrets there. I don’t know who put the links proving that they indeed did come by my house. I had decided, until I read the posts, that I was just paranoid about myself….but I never had any doubts about Rose, Lyndal, Lucky and you being stalked. It was very clear to me that they were trying to scare yall into silence or whatever(Maryst, too). I have been reading at topix tonite and someone is going to put all the posts there of the info that was done to others.
Everyone have a great Thanks Giving and be safe!
You know the whole bunch of them are losers. So why bother. Te one that posts the most only insults everyone else that hasn’t kissed the virgie ass.
flowerz which thread is that over at Topix? I cannot find the “Who thinks Anna & Daniel were murdered” one has it been deleted?
Oops correction “killed”
JMA check your email
You may be right Daisy. I read the link and must have skimmed over or missed that one somehow.I remembered that the O’Quinn team tried to say Lin did the same thing and approved it but missed his response to their accusations.Maybe that is why the O’Quinn team never mentioned the infotainment word again? Makes sense,it can be used against themin the Texas courts I wood think,if need be
Rose has a lot of “make busy” work right that she is trying to knock out of the way. She is going to get a very interesting article together and up as soon as she can. I hope to check back in with all of you but as most everyone else is, we are getting ready for tomorrow. I’ve been handing out list and sending them all out for errands. OCD can’t help it. LOL
If I don’t make it back everyone have a great holiday.
Hello everyone, just posting to wish everyone a HAPPY THANKSGIVING DAY!!!
daisy I did not receive an e-mail, try again.
Thanks Mary and same to you and everyone else.
hmm, I am looking forward to Rose’s article.
I would think too (about using it against them in Texas).
Okay JMA, let me know.
Thanks for the help with chat. I can now get in.
Verdict reached in Drew case but not announced yet.
JMA, that link is on private forum
guilty diamondgirl
Here is the link to the topix forum that was poofed , but is still going strong….all of the old posts are missing but thanks to someone, I hope we get to see all the stored info on members soon…the person said one folder at a time.
Mods are welcome to delete after anyone who wants the link to delete this post after the ones who want it bookmark it.
I will try to find the questions in one particular posts of what the person plans on exposing.
http://www.topix.com/forum/who/anna-nicole-smith/T9P5VKB088KU4C2JK/p13
Feel free to delete, but this was interesting to me, too. Copied from you know where!
what is right wrote:
SO how long was Havan a spy?
Does anyone see anything strange about Howard’s depo only mentioning two specific bloggers: QV “myspirit rocks” and Havanas” Sweet Havana” and no one elses.
I seem to remember that prior to this event that someone wrote on TMZ that Havana was working for Don Clark. Now wasn’t that the truth.
So basically the fight those two had way back over the TMZ posts was a lie. Who do you think coached Havana to be moderator for three different forums? Do you think she was low enough to turn over personal emails of all the people who befriended and supported her? Does the whole world need to read people’s private details about family problems, illnesses and children?
Why won’t Havana come down to Texas to stand by her affidavit? Is there more out there and who would be looking for more and in what way have they done that?
Did she and QV recieve any monetary benefits or anything of a benefit for their part.
Who else has been bought by OQ law, either directly or indirectly.
more to come.
Thanks daisy and everyone else felt like I was going through withdrawal not being able to read the daily funnies. Wonder why the thread is hidden now!
I did get a chance to read and just as I predicted the other day they were blaming Lin Wood for the disappearance of those posts, what a bunch of morons
Here is the post I was referring to, should be interesting to find out the answers. Feel free to delete, I would not have put it here, except for the fact I can’t post anywhere else here, yet.
Judged:
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who posted all flowerz personal info?
who posted all maryst personal info?
who shared personal info with redcouch and on websites?
who passed personal info around in emails?
who posted all lucky personal info?
who posted all rose personal info?
who posted all lyndal personal info?
who posted all butterfly personal info?
who shared IP with who was posting here?
who posted the wrong address to rose neighbor?
who posted all their work places here?
who posted photos here?
who posted real names here?
who posted addresses here?
who TAUNTED these bloggers with the info here?
who had the bloggers vote of registration card here?
who posted the grandma name here?
who threatened bloggers would be sued here?
who posted lawyers were looking for lucky?
who posted she would get sued soon?
who posted all the libelous lies here?
who left signs near meryst home?
who drove by flowerz house recently?
who called CPS on folks?
who threaten to turn a blogger in for tax fraud and wanted you all to do the same?
who took pics of bloggers at the courthouse in houston here?
who drove to rose house?
who drove to lyndal house?
who drove to lucky house?
who bragged here about it alllllllllllllllllllllllllllll lllllllllllllllll?
i know all the answers. do you nuts really want to go there, of just give up and admit it was wrong even though you ALL thought it was so funny at the time. making fun of peoples looks and digging for ANY info you could find on the net.
do you want me to post them all to refresh your stupid memories? now you want to whine about it being done to YOU? you people better wake up to the real facts in this mess. above is only a small portion of what you nuts have done.
who has proof and will testify to it all? ME
we now have precedence set for internet bullying.
flowerz, it will be good when everyone learns, for a fact where they got our real names. No matter what excuse or justification
they attempt to use for what they did, bottom line is we used monikers. And no matter what excuse they use for putting
financial information of some of us and our spouses and all the other personal information, it will not fly in a court of law.
Whoever advised them what they were doing is legal is wrong.
I wonder who gave them my email address too…never mind, I know who gave all my information saying they didn’t does not
make it so. Havana played a role in this too. One of the email addresses only she had.
Wow flowerz seems they were/are busy little Biddie bees. I hope all is found out because it looks like some serious stalking has been going on.
hmmmm
Verdict announced:
A Missouri mother on trial in a landmark cyberbullying case was convicted Wednesday of misdemeanor computer charges instead of felonies in a cruel Internet hoax played on a 13-year-old girl who later committed suicide.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27928608?GT1=43001
ok now I can’t post here?
hmmm, I am doing something wrong unless link it being checked out first.
Verdict read in Drew case.
A Missouri mother on trial in a landmark cyberbullying case was convicted Wednesday of misdemeanor computer charges instead of felonies in a cruel Internet hoax played on a 13-year-old girl who later committed suicide.
I can’t post the link for some reason.
DiamondGirl the link worked for me. Thanks for the update.
Virgie Arthur filed an Amended Petition with additional facts in the State Case of Arthur vs. Howard K. Stern et. al. on November 20.
We have the papers in our download section because of transparency policy. HOWEVER, as you know we can have no further comment other than providing the papers since one of this site co-owners is listed as a defendant.
The September 19, 2008 Court Order transferring case from the 190 to the 280 Court in Harris County in the Virgie Arthur vs. Howard K. Stern, TMZ, Bonnie Stern, Art Harris, Harvey Levin, Rose Turner.
http://www.rosespeaks.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&op=getit&lid=1246
The November 20, 2008 Virgie Arthur’s First Amended Petition against Howard K. Stern, TMZ, Harvey Levin, Bonnie Stern, Art Harris, and Rose Turner with new allegations including Larry Birkhead allegations.
http://www.rosespeaks.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&op=getit&lid=1247
Thank you Rose. (#207)
This is a sad outcome…
http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/11/lori-drew-pla-5.html
“LOS ANGELES — Lori Drew, the 49-year-old woman charged in the first federal cyberbullying case, was cleared of felony computer-hacking charges by a jury Wednesday morning, but convicted of three misdemeanors. The jury deadlocked on a remaining felony charge of conspiracy.”
“But on Wednesday, jurors found Drew guilty only of three counts of gaining unauthorized access to MySpace for the purpose of obtaining information on Megan Meier — misdemeanors that potentially carry up to a year in prison, but most likely will result in no time in custody. The jury unanimously rejected the three felony computer hacking charges that alleged the unauthorized access was part of a scheme to intentionally inflict emotional distress on Megan.”
I thought this was an interesting link as how the Harris County operates, too. Not that I understand most of it too well, but from my way of seeing it, not so good. I thought of Butterfly when I read it.
http://www.supreme.courts.state.tx.us/rules/pdf/SCAC_Lindsay_letter_10.29.05.pdf
OMG McCabe’s filing looks as though he is going on theory/speculation especially saying Howard was communicating with defendants through his sister Bonnie. To
me that is speculation, matter of fact it all seem to look like McCabe’s speculation except for the part where he sugar coats Virgie. It is utterly ridiculous!
JMA, EXACTLY! Then he adds stuff (gossip; false allegations against the defendants) and states that is not part of this case…. it is in the Federal case????
“Utterly ridiculous” is a great description of that filing! Bet it got some laughs from the clerks office! 
What a ____________!!! Yes, real professional!
__________________________________________
II
DISCOVERY PLAN
“Discovery in this cause will be conducted under Level 3 of Rule 190 of the Texas Rules of Civil Procedure.” (from page 2 of the filing)
http://askville.amazon.com/rule-190-texas-rules-civil-procedures/AnswerViewer.do?requestId=9566797
“A Level 3 discovery control plan must include the following:
(1) a trial date or trial scheduling conference date;
(2) a discovery period during which all discovery either must be conducted or all requests sent for the case or phase of a case;
(3) appropriate limits on the amount of discovery; and
(4) deadlines for joining additional parties, amending or supplementing pleadings, and designating expert witnesses.
So he is saying that Rose Lyndal and Butterfly sent the story to TMZ…. ummmm Wouldn’t Tmz have a copy of what was sent to them? duh
The reason the case is in Harris county is because Lyndal lives in Harris County. wow
Only names tmz and Rose speaks and Art’s sites as having published false and defamatory articles. Ummmmm
There are so many holes in this you can drive that bus through. I am amazed at the way this is spun and the blatant un truths it has in it…
Truth is something they know very little about. Wait until the judge sees it all, then someone is really going to look like a fool.
You’ve got to be kidding me?!! That reads like a romance novel or soap opera!
Allegations by ET…DUH! Allegations are just that!
Sweetheart deal..isn’t that a nice description?
Cabal…has he been reading Swims
Why no mention of Donna Hogan?? Let’s just skip facts and weave our story the way we want it? What a bunch of hooey!
I had to reread it again to make sure what I read the first time was real.
Howard controlled all of Anna’s life but she got pregnant to Larry and had a long term relationship with him.
Anna told people that Larry sexually took advantage of her when she was ill
Anna relocated to the Bahamas with the help of Howard. No mention of the South Carolina lot.
Howard was fraudulently listed on the birth certificate as the baby’s father even though he thought he was and Anna said that on tv and publicaly that Howard was the father
Howard controlled Anna with drugs.. No mention of her pregnancy and medical checkups etc that would have shown different
No mention of the depression Anna had as the result of her grief from loosing her son no mention of the threats to take her baby from her no mention of the stress her own mother was putting on her. The medication she was prescribed for her anxiety and depression by her doctors.
re page 8 and Butterfly composed a letter with links about Virgie but no letter included
Lyndal was involved from the beginning…. umm beginning what, where ??? nothing specific
And of course page 11 when the conspiritors as listed sent the story to TMZ about the family tree. no mention of Rose telling QV it was unsubstantiated and to take the story down as it was not correct.
Once again lets not let facts get in the way of a good story. Or time lines lets not forget time lines
Well stated Heath.
Also, WHY blame Art for asking questions of VA’s own son?
ISN’T it VA’s own daughter and own son who said the worst about her?
If your own children say something about the person that raised them, HOW can you blame others for what they say?
NO ONE told Anna to say what she said! ET can prove that! TMZ can prove who gave them the story and TMZ can show how their site does these polls on many people! They are not suing them!
O’Quinn Law Firm is trying to recoup the money they threw away on this person. IMO
Anna wouldn’t have said one WORD if Virgie WOULDN’T have went on TV starting all this crap in the first place!
I also think that was a STUPID move on the part of VA’s lawyer! Doing an interview and saying that Virgie was going to get millions… or something to that effect! Bet me Buckwheat! *The case should be thrown out just due to his statements!
She did so many interviews of her own accord… that caused much more damage! [To keep that ‘Family Feud’ going......]
Hell! Virgie ought to be suing herself! I bet it comes out how much money VA made by selling her children, grandchildren’s pictures, videos and the fact that she came to the Bahamas with Splash magazine camera people!
What a joke! We the people of the world should sue that woman for going to the book party and smiling while praising the book of lies that trashed her own daughter! If Anna were here she would have a better case on suing her mother in my opinion!
Do not forget…. the two avadavats against the people of this site can be proven false! So, they have nothing;
no proof of ANY DEFAMATION or ANY CONSPIRACY! Hearsay and false unproven allegations!
I cannot believe the Courts will even let this farce through our justice system! In fact I hope it gets thrown out for lack of true facts! Truth is a Defense! JMO
I am reading the papers now and had to stop and make a comment about what Anna said about her mother.
She ask what do you tell someone that is so evil? It becomes vivid, remembering Anna’s
words and the feeling is still here.
Vergie Arthur, who apparently doesn’t want everyone to know about her pass has now opened it up so
wide that her peers will know more then she ever wanted. Anna’s abuse will be clear to everyone now.
Strange the way Anna is gone, yet her rectification is alive.
Anyway, we all see what Anna had to deal with. Look what her mother is doing.
Why doesn’t she just go away and ask the Lord for forgiveness? This is
what evil looks like, just like Anna said.
When you read it, they tell on themselves. Now who thinks this is a “sweet heart deal”? I believe they did.
Then he goes on to say Stevens gave internet links, what she backed up her statement with facts?
No, the defendants did not cause VA problems with the public, it is not the step brother story
that bothers the public when it comes to this women, most people don’t even know about it.
IMO the public is upset over the way VA acted after the death of her grandson and daughter.
She held up her own daughter’s burial for God sakes.
Your actions will catch up with Neil McCabe. You might get away with what you do sometimes but
you won’t all the time. Man, after reading that filing I believe you are not living a decent life.
Bewildered, that’s funny, I don’t read swims as much as you guys do, wasn’t aware he used that word.
OH NO I said the other day I’ve been with this story since the beginning…next he’ll be calling me a conspirator.
Well McC didn’t add much. Larry Birkhead…..Larry Dale….the word “animus”, he misquoted ANS by stating “rapes” as a plural… I’m pretty sure Anna said “the rape”….The Bahamas and the father on the birth certificate angle is absurd. In most states in the US if you’re named as the father on the birth certificate then you are the father. Nothing special there. I guess he added the “deal” that was struck between HKS and DL. I am so sorry that this is happening. It is all such an evil lie : (
I don’t get why they keep referring to Anna as Ms. Marshall, I think in all the other court documents she is referred to as Anna Nicole Smith, Now is that for recognition of a celebrity in the other cases or recognition of the Marshall’s in Tx.?
I read the court papers and all it seems to me that it reads like a one sided old wives tale, no substance and all hearsay.
To me it reads like one big comment on a topix blog without anything to back up what they say.
Lets not forget
1.The stepbrother thing and the family tree apppeared on Court T.V. boards and that it was AD? (I think) that sent it to QV and QV took it and ran with it from there. Even with so many people telling her it couldn’t be confirmed.
2. The story is factual and was confirmed so by McCabe. QV got the order of it wrong.
3. Lyndal was NOT involved since the beginning. She is NOT the realestate agent that looked up that other stuff on Virgie. That was QV’s buddy.
4. Everything ever looked up on Virgie came from public records. NONE OF IT EVER SHOWED UP OR WAS USED ANYWHERE.
5, VIRGIE HAS NEVER FILED FOR CUSTODY OR VISITATION ANYWHERE IN THE UNITED STATES. How can she loose something she has never seeked.
6. Why even mention the Marshall money in anything? After all, Virgie isn’t after that money……
Roxanne, Great points!
Why is it now visitation and not custody? When McC said the reason for this suit was that Virgie lost her right to custody of the child? IIRC.
Shouldn’t Virgie be suing Larry for nonexistent grandparents rights? And if she wants to be a grandmother shouldn’t she take it up with him,? Not worrying about how she looks in Tx. or anywhere else, She should be mad at her own attys, For heavens sake Her daughter is gone, I would think that if she really cared,( I will just leave it at that.)
Happy Thanksgiving!
There is nothing in the state documents that point to a conspiracy. That I can see. The federal ones were more convincing ; ) Why didn’t McC cut and paste all those chats and emails that were included in the federal suit? And why did McC have to add a disclaimer that the first 8+ pages or so had nothing to do with the Texas State suit? Did I actually read that? Is this for real? With all due respect I am LMAO. But then I realize that it is for real. I am sorry that this is happening. I have been around since the beginning. It has just all gotten so twisted.
I can’t understand why Virgie thinks she has ANY RIGHT TO CUSTODY of DL. Even if she and Larry were friends where in the world dose the father lose custody of his child to a grandmother when the father is alive and want to raise HIS daugther. What in the hell makes her think she has rights over him. Virgie had NO contact with Anna for 10 years. If Anna was alive today she would be in Virgie’s face big time. Anna would spend every dime she had to go after this women. Evil is evil and that is spelled VIRGIE.
VA has no custody rights of DL. She might have entertained a fight with HKS, but there is no fight with LB. VA needs to get over it. Can’t blame HKS for the fact that LB is the father. This was ANS’ fight. Not VA’s. Because ANS died, HKS had to take over and deal with it. HKS did the right thing. VA has no business in any of it.
I thought I read somewhere that the Bahamian police?? had made a visit to Virgie’s home during the custody battle? Anyone remember that?
This has to be the most baffling and ridiculous court document I have read in this whole saga.
Background … no mention of the fact that Anna phoned Virgie when Daniel died and Virgie ‘couldn’t get to the phone in time’ Just a statement that Stern wouldn’t let Anna talk to Virgie on the phone and had to use the media to get a message to her, and thus starting the ‘public family feud’ in the first place.
Timeline is all wrong re the publication of the stories. He has Rose writing stuff on her blog, which did not even exist at the time.
How dare Stevens use Internet links to back up what she wrote?
I could go on, but you have all read it. I will just add that the most ‘telling’ part to me comes on
Page 13 … First Cause of Action Against All Defendants Defamation
Quote:
“In the unlikely event this court finds the statements and publications made by the defendants are not defamatory as a matter of law, the audience to which they were directed to be defamatory could certainly reasonably understand the statements as being an attempt to defame VIRGIE ARTHUR. As such the statements are defamatory by implication.”
Want to start out by saying…….Happy Thanksgiving to All here at Rose Speaks
heath [215] I noticed the no mention of the SC crew too. McCabe is claiming it was Howard who was responsible for moving Anna to the Bahamas when
in fact, Ford Shelley stated publicly it was their idea.
McCabe is making it look as though Howard was the one who filled out the birth certificate, which we all know the mother does that so if Anna chose to
put Howard on it then so be it.
How convenient for McCabe to say Anna misunderstood Virgie’s CNN interview, nope I think Anna was spot on. Those of us who have either read the
transcript on saw the interview got the same impression that Anna did. Those e-mails from David Leigh are going to be a big help for the Defendants.
Beth [216] I agree 100% if Virgie would not have went to the media Anna would have never done the ET interview.
Daisy [220] McCabe may as well call ALL of US conspirators.
Again, this latest McCabe filing is UTTERLY RIDICULOUS and I cannot wait for the Defendants attorneys’ to respond to his ridiculousness.
I want to wish everyone a HAPPY THANKSGIVING.
Be safe…but have fun!
It was garbage in my opinion, too. Didn’t the cousin contact Howard(at his office) and leave a message for him to call or they were going to the media? I wonder if Virgie didn’t have caller id when Anna called and she wouldn’t pick up the phone?
Bewildered, seems I recall that Virgie set up housekeeping complete with a nanny in the Bahamas to be checked by the officials, I don’t recall the Bahama officials visiting Texas(not that they didn’t), only visiting Jack Growing Nose Harding to see why the card was in Daniel’s billfold.
Happy Thanksgiving to all. I have finally figured out how to get to my email….after I opened a new email account, I saw the emails I have waiting, but it was so late, I haven’t opened them or done anything yet. Before I open any of the more important ones, I am going to make an new pw. I can hardly wait to find out all that I have been missing out on!
Happy Thanksgiving to all. Heading to daughters soon as she’s doing all the cooking! Lucky me!
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Well I have to agree with all of you. This latest filing looks like something my 9 year old granddaughter could write without thinking about it. I would love to be a fly on the wall when the judge reads this work of art.
Just wow.
Happy Thanksgiving All
Is it true that the judge went to the same school that McC went to, and one graduated in 82 and the other in 84? I sure hope not. Sounds like a conflict of interest to me, if it is true.
#212 I noted in the wrong thread. If you read QVs depo, she names the person that linked the story on TMZ and its not any of the defendants nor a Texan!
I found it interesting that he did actually use the word ‘republished’
Also, another thing going to bite back is that he blames HKS for MAKING ANS say so and so, but if you read it thoroughly he goes on to say ANS’s statements, and claims them as her own… after he blames HKS.
Roxanne
We have a screen shot from March 22 where their is a large discussion and MULTIPLE posts from Court TV and taken from the geneology pages. WAYYYY before this.
Another interesting… that I still have yet to see in ANY filing… is that it is FALSE
That’s another thing Roxanne re: Lyndal, note there is no mention of anything she has done… Only uses her name for Harris County Jurisdiction
#232 Lizzie EXACTLY! That’s why I was like he used the word ‘republished’!
Havana’s last words on QVs blog were [paraphrasing} I wonder what I have would be worth.
#209 Flowerz… I was so pissed that day. After I gave the Judge the correct address the process server came to my house and STRAIGHT OUT LIED to me, said I checked the mailbox at that old address and your mail was in it. BULLSHIT! I never LIVED there but for a few weeks when I moved back to Texas. Second, I drove by the old house, flags hanging out, garage door open, motorcycle inside, car outside. It was COMPLETE BULLSHIT and is a process server allowed to rival through mailboxes? I took pics
#231 I vaguely remember that as well bewildered
excuse the cussing… brings back angry memories
butterfly that is very interesting what havana’s last words were on QV. You know I think she came with Rose to set her up and
after learning what her last words were, IMO O’Q scared her into turning pretty early on. Why else would he have even bought
her name up in the depo, perfect reason to use that lamb excuse as the reason why she turned.
Butterfly
That is the exact reason Lyndal is in this suit. She lives in Harris County and they needed jurisdiction and wanted to file in “home” court. They try to say Lyndal was involved since the beginning but I believe they took something Lyndal said one day and ran with it. They just twisted it into what they needed.
It was a BIG TWIST. All it meant was she had been with the rest of the hundreds of bloggers since the beginning. She was not a moderator at QVs site and wasn’t at Rose’s until winter of 07!
November 24, 2008 Order from the Southern District Court in Florida, granting a postponement of the Joint Stipulation and Motion to Dismiss with Prejudiced until December 4.
http://www.rosespeaks.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&op=getit&lid=1248
December 1, 2008 Order from the Southern District Federal Court in Florida Dismissing the case of Howard K. Stern vs. John O’Quinn and the O’Quinn Law firm with Prejudiced based on the Joint Stipulation to Dismiss with Prejudiced as the lawsuit is settled.
http://www.rosespeaks.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&op=getit&lid=1249
December 1, 2008 Joint Stipulation for Dismissal with prejudiced as the parties settle the lawsuit out of court.
http://www.rosespeaks.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&op=getit&lid=1250