a Howard K. Stern is entitled to see John O’Quinn’s Net Worth, NOT just Stern’s lawyers. Is this Another lost for O’Quinn?
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It would appear from the Florida Southern District Court’s Ruling and fifteen page Order and Findings that M. Krista Barth held her own with Robert Klein.
On October 24, 2008, The Florida Southern District Court issued an Order that Howard K. Stern is entitled to see John O’Quinn and the O’Quinn Law Firm’s net worth, that must be turned over by November 3, 2008, and Stern is entitled to see it with his counsel. The Court does say, when you are as rich as John O’Quinn, a few millions one way or the other will not affect any possible “punitive damage” award which is limited to 3 times the orginal award granting by a jury. Therefore, there is no need for John O’Quinn or the O’Quinn Law Firm to turn over previous year’s tax returns filed prior to 2008. The net worth and the 800-car collection will be counted though said the Court in its Order. Further Howard K. Stern and his legal team can see all underlying records used by O’Quinn’s CPA to calculate the net worth of John O’Quinn, the O’Quinn law firm, and the CPA shall certified that all records are correct.
Is this a loss for O’Quinn? Will the alleged bloggers that allegedly work with Wilma Vicedomine be able to spin this? Could the anticipation of this Order and Finding by the Court be the reason that some of the Powell Goldstein attorneys withdrew this week? I don’t know but below is the main part of the Court’s Order for you to decide.
Excerpts from the Court’s Order and Finding:
After hearing argument of counsel during the October 17, 2008, hearing, the Court agrees in part with Plaintiff and finds that Defendants’ offer to provide financial statements and the Firm’s profit and loss statements is not adequate for Plaintiff to obtain a full picture of Defendants’ financial condition. Instead, the Court finds that Plaintiff is entitled to test the veracity of what Defendants contend their net worth is.
The Court agrees with Plaintiff that he should have access to and review certain underlying documents to ascertain the accountants’ methodology in producing the accountant-certified financial statements and profit and loss statements. Plaintiff is similarly entitled to this information to evaluate the credibility of Defendants’ contentions regarding their overall net worth.
Plaintiff, however, has failed to make any showing at all that Defendants have secreted any of their assets or have even attempted to move any assets. In the absence of any evidence tending to show that Defendants are trying to hide or shield assets, the Court finds that financial worth discovery for the years prior to 2008 has no relevance to the issue of punitive damages in this case. In this respect, the Court agrees with the case law cited by Defendants that only discovery of current net worth is relevant to Plaintiff’s claim for punitive damages.
Next, the Court will address the appropriate scope of financial discovery that Defendants must produce to Plaintiff. Having considered the arguments of counsel and the specific requests contained in the Financial Discovery, the Court finds that Defendants must produce current financial statements for O’Quinn and the Firm, as well as a current profit and loss statement for the Firm. Additionally, Defendants must produce any underlying documentation considered by the accountants in reaching the conclusions made in the financial statements. These documents include any information provided by Defendants to their accountants or obtained on behalf of Defendants and reviewed by their accountants in performing net worth analyses of Defendants as reflected in the financial statements. The Court finds that requiring Defendants to provide such information is not unduly burdensome since the documents will already have been assembled and provided to Defendants’ accountants. Additionally, the Court directs Defendants to provide copies of appraisals and insurance policies on all personal property of Defendants for which Defendants have obtained insurance policies. These policies will set forth stated values for the items they cover and provide Plaintiff with adequate information regarding the value of these assets. Moreover, the insurance policies, along with the underlying documentation supporting the financial statements, will allow Plaintiff to test the conclusions made by Defendants’ accountants regarding Defendants’ net worth. These items are sufficient for Plaintiff to obtain an accurate view of the state of Defendants’ finances.
The Court finds, however, that Plaintiff is not entitled to obtain information regarding individual items of personal property, including the date of purchase and purchase price of those items. This minutia does not necessarily aid Plaintiff in obtaining the “big picture” with respect to Defendants’ net worth, and only burdens Defendants with the task of sorting through countless items and receipts.
Instead, the Court finds that directing Defendants to produce copies of appraisals and insurance policies on all personal property will yield the relevant information sought without unduly burdening Defendants.
The Court further finds that Defendants need not produce their tax returns or bank records. The Court acknowledges that tax returns are generally subject to production if they are relevant to claims or defenses in a case and that the party seeking production of the returns is not required to show a compelling need for them. Second, the type of information contained in the tax returns is not especially conducive to determining Defendants’ net worth. Tax returns do not reveal assets such as properties owned, stocks owned, and the value of O’Quinn’s 800-car collection, which are the types of assets that are the heart and soul of Defendants’ net worth.
In this regard, unlike the documentation used by accountants in determining Defendants’ financial statements, the tax returns would not enable Plaintiff to test Defendants’ assertions concerning their alleged net worth. Further, considering the fact that Plaintiff will receive the underlying documents reviewed by Defendants’ accountants in formulating the financial statements, any minimally relevant information contained in the tax returns would also be cumulative.
Further, considering the fact that Plaintiff will receive the underlying documents reviewed by Defendants’ accountants in formulating the financial statements, any minimally relevant information contained in the tax returns would also be cumulative. Similarly, production of Defendants’ bank statements would be cumulative in light of the production already required by the Court. Any relevant banking information would be included in the underlying documents used by Defendants’ accountants to develop financial statements and, thus, the Court will not require Defendants to produce their bank records separately.
Overall, the Court finds that Defendants must produce financial statements for 2008 and the Firm’s profit and loss statements for 2008. Additionally, Defendants must produce to Plaintiff all underlying documents provided to Defendants’ accountants in assessing Defendants’ net worth. Defendants must also provide Plaintiff with any appraisals and insurance policies regarding personal property. All of these items will allow Plaintiff to gain a full picture of Defendants’ current net worth and will also enable Plaintiff to test Defendants’ contentions regarding their net worth. The provision of these materials is relevant to Plaintiff’s punitive damages claim, but will not cause an undue burden to Defendants because Defendants will have already gathered these documents and provided them to their accountants to compose the Defendants’ financial statements.
Defendants also seek for the Court to expand the existing Confidentiality Order such that the responses to the Financial Discovery would be subject to review only by Plaintiff’s counsel or any expert that might be retained to review the documentation. Defendants argue that based on Plaintiff’s past conduct5 in other proceedings, they have significant concerns about dissemination of sensitive financial information that would be disclosed by Defendants in response to the Financial Discovery. Accordingly, Defendants seek for the Court to enter an order restricting dissemination of any financial information produced to Plaintiff’s counsel (including attorneys within Mr. Wood’s firm) and any expert who may be retained to review the financial information for the purposes of offering testimony at trial. Defendants specifically seek for the order to preclude Plaintiff’s counsel from revealing the information to Mr. Stern.
Plaintiff responds that the type of protection sought by Defendants may be appropriate in the context of protecting trade secrets from competitors, but not in this case where the information sought is relevant to Plaintiff’s punitive damages claim. In this regard, Plaintiff argues that Defendants have not shown that the information has economic value as a secret. Additionally, Plaintiff emphasizes that the Court has already approved the Confidentiality Order in which Defendants agreed to provide Plaintiff access to all discovery materials, including “Highly Confidential” information, which definition includes financial information regarding the parties. Finally, Plaintiff denies Defendants’ characterization of his actions in other proceedings. And, according to Plaintiff, if his actions in other proceedings caused Defendants concern, Defendants should have raised such problems at the time the parties stipulated to the terms of the Confidentiality Order in this case, as the challenged conduct occurred before the parties filed the stipulated Confidentiality Order.
After hearing argument of counsel during the October 17, 2008, hearing, the Court ruled from the bench on the issue of confidentiality. As noted during the hearing, although there were accusations of improper conduct by Plaintiff in other proceedings, no evidence of any improper disclosures made by either party in this case appears in the record. With respect to the allegations of conduct in other proceedings, the Court would be required to conduct a mini-trial to determine what occurred in those cases. The Court declined to do so.
Instead, the Court emphasized that the Confidentiality Order in place, although stipulated to by the parties, is an Order of the Court. As such, the Confidentiality Order binds the parties in this matter, and the Court expects the parties and their counsel to abide by the letter and spirit of the Order.
The Confidentiality Order specifically contemplates the exchange of Financial Discovery and, therefore, the provisions adequately protect the interests of both parties. An additional protective order preventing Mr. Stern from reviewing the financial documents is not warranted. The Court will not tolerate any unauthorized disclosures of the financial information by any party, its counsel, experts, or agents, directly or indirectly. If any such disclosures occur, the Court shall consider the full scope of sanctions available to it to penalize any individual in breach of the Confidentiality Order. In order to ensure compliance with the Confidentiality Order, if any unauthorized disclosures occur, even by the parties, the Court will consider motions to hold counsel accountable.
Accordingly, the Court denied Defendants’ Motion for Protective Order with respect to Defendants’ request that the Court expand the existing Confidentiality Order such that the responses to the Financial Discovery would be subject to review only by Plaintiff’s counsel or any expert that might be retained to review the documentation.
After considering the parties’ arguments, the Court finds no good reason to delay the production of Defendants’ financial worth discovery until thirty days prior to trial. Plaintiff must be provided adequate time to review the financial information and have any experts consider it. If the financial information is withheld until thirty days before trial, Plaintiff will be hindered in his preparation for trial. The Court also acknowledges that providing the financial information thirty days prior to trial will not resolve the issue of providing “current” net worth information.
Presumably, the information provided by Defendants will change at least somewhat, whether it is provided now or thirty days prior to trial. Finally, this is not a case where the Court is ordering Defendants to provide net worth discovery a year or more before trial. As a practical matter, with the trial set to begin on December 29, 2008, the information provided under this Order will be turned over within mere weeks of the commencement of trial, anyway. Defendants are under a continuing obligation to supplement discovery if their net worth changes materially.
Accordingly, Defendants’ Motion for Protective Order is denied with respect to Defendants’ request that the Court allow Defendants to produce responses to the Financial Discovery thirty days prior to trial. Instead, Defendants shall produce responsive discovery by no later than November 3, 2008.
On October 24, 2008 the Florida Southern District Court also issued an Order Granting Howard K. Stern’s Motion to file his Response, Memorandum of Law and all exhibits in Response to John O’Quinn and the O’Quinn Law Firm’s Motion for Summary Judgment under Seal to protect the Confidentiality Provisions as the New York Court has Ordered. So folks, we got to see what John O’Quinn, Rusty Hardin, Don Clark etc. had to say about all of this, but we will not be able to read how Howard K. Stern responds.
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Looks as though O’Quinn’s antics do not work for him anymore not even Rusty’s affidavit helped him. Chalk up another WIN for Howard Stern & Lin Wood
One of my favorite movies as a child was ‘The Wizard of Oz’.
I love the statement: ‘Dorothy, we’re not in Kansas anymore’
(or something to that affect… it has been many years since I have watched it all again)
I’d just like to state something similar…
‘John, you’re not in Texas anymore’
LOL It has been a long week!
Now I remember that Dorothy said that to ToeToe the dog… (I spelled it the way it sounds)
Forgive my blunder!
I cannot believe O’Quinn claims Howard could not be trusted due to “past conduct in other proceedings” it happen one time but O’Quinn tries to make it look as though Howard made a habit of it. Oh well did not work for O’Quinn any way. Funniest part though O’Quinn had no court documented proof to back up his claim he only had Rusty.
Beth that was exact thought when I read the newest WIN for Howard. Yup got that right old Johnny boy isn’t in Texas anymore
Yes yes yes, good for Titan’s ego.This firm is not easy to go on.Lin Wood and HKS are some good lawyers.
What can I say? Everything is going our way!
You bet he ain’t in Texas anymore. He’s in Wood’s neck of the woods, so to speak
Should have known better but they didn’t, under estimate Wood and way underestimated Stern’s character.
#2 Beth that is so funny, NOT IN TEXAS ANYMORE…I bet Quinn is seating in his leather chair shaking his head and wondering WHO IS THIS MAN HOWARD. I bet he had NO idea that Howard would come after him in the way he has. I think Quinn thought Howard wouldn’t do anything and just go away. Quinn sure thinks he has big britches. I think Quinn thought Howard would be a push over, boy is he wrong on that one…
I think this is a win for Howard and team. It is going to burn OQ’s butt to know that he couldn’t stop Howard from seeing any of his financial info imo. I think the court was fair in what it ordered. Oq having to provide insurance polices for some of his assets gives LW some insight into what these things are worth.
As for Rusty Hardings affidavit- I guess old Rusty saying what he did in that affidavit really didn’t help OQ at all. If I read it correctly they are saying that there is no solid proof to what Rusty claimed in his affidavit.
I think it is a great day for Howard and LW!!!!!!!!!!!!
*Bwahahaha….teehee…titter…titter….snort!!!*
I’m glad to see HKS winning. When this is all said and done I can’t wait to see some people eat it.
Well.I am pleased as punch,Howard and Lin Wood can work together(as they should)OQ better learn,he is not suiing Howard,Howard is suiing him.It is time OQ learned he is a lawyer not a judge, and from the docs I read,that,s hard to believe.OQ is still throwing in little zingers,he was trying to add untrustworthy to his list of slanderous statements.I hope OQ now is thrilled,he helped the Grandma,He has losed,every round,for Virgie,and now,the person he dislikes gets to see his financial worth.NO FOOL LIKE A OLD FOOL.
My comment is….I’m happy.
Me too raven!
Hey listen, did you guys hear about this? (O/T)
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1597912/20081024/hudson__jennifer.jhtml
“Oct 24 2008 6:34 PM EDT
Jennifer Hudson’s Mother, Brother Murdered
Hudson’s 7-year-old nephew reported missing; police have identified suspect.
By Jennifer Vineyard
Jennifer Hudson’s mother and brother died of fatal gunshot wounds Friday (October 24), police have confirmed to MTV News.”
OMG Look at this site… There are pics of the cute little boy and Jennifer’s mom. HOW VERY SAD!
http://citizenceleb.wordpress.com/2008/10/24/jennifer-hudsons-mother-and-brother-shot-to-death-nephew-missing/
“UPDATE 6:40 PM: An all points bulletin has been issued for Hudson’s 7-year-old nephew (pictured below) who may have been taken from the scene. Police are looking for 1994 white Suburban with the license plate X584859.”
#14 Beth, that is so sad, so very sad… also on the article yesterday, Sarah 54 asked some good and thought provoking questions, I look forward to all of your input to her questions; whether on the older thread, or this one.
O’quinn’s fear of HKS seeing his financial records always seemed like an excuse to smear the guy one more time. I think the judge saw it as that too.
so sad about Jennifer Hudson’s family, I don’t know if a person can ever really recover from a tragedy like that.
Great news Rose. Things are rolling along just perfect for Howard and Lin.
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Sarah54 #23 last thread, I agree very thought provoking questions. I have been thinking about it for a few hours now. I remember hearing O’Quinn saying that he did want to be sued by Howard, I honestly think imo that O’Quinn had a change of heart when L.Wood came into the picture as to were he was going with this. L.Wood did let everyone know that he meant business even before Rita’s book singing. IIRC I don’t remember seeing O’Quinn jump from media to media outlet much after that, He had McCabe as his mouthpiece. I do remember a show of Greta’s that she said that O’Quinn would be on the next day to answer phone call questions, Which he canceled. I thought that was predictable, How in the world could this Atty. after being all over the airwaves and knowing that he was being put in check or I should say his bluff was called to answer for his actions, Just say it like it is - O’Quinn Is in it all for the Marshall money, He saw $$$$$$$$$$$signs, He got access to the mother that does not have any money to afford the likes of O’Quinn and does what he probably always does and ran with it. About him bumping his noodle in the Fla. Court I wish I could see that again, I was surprised of the decorum in that room, IIRC not even his own team jumped up to help him, I think that Virgie herself just sat there, The camera did not show much and the Judge asked TX if he might be diabetic. Ploy maybe, I am assuming alcoholism has got the best of him. Just my opinion, but the interviews with Him and Virgie stroking each other told volumes!! Talk about coaching..,. JMO
I think about O’Quinn and his money. He makes me sick, He donates to Hospitals and Universities, Great, Good for him and them, But what about where he got that money?????… Who’s money is he using to fund himself??????????.
#13 Beverly I emailed the latest filings for you since for some glitch in the main site you can’t download them. Anyone else having problems and not able to get the documents?
I must have missed the testimony from Denise James I just remembered the clip and then people saying he .O’Quinn was diabetic and had low blood sugar Never thought about it being a ploy at that time. I have sure come a long way since then. I asked questions and googled stuff to find out just who and what O’Quinn was. If Howard wasn’t such a gentleman that he would not go after Annas Bio mother I would say he should a V I’M comming after you and i won’t stop till you are shown for what you are and what you did to your daughter.
ROSE–Thank you very much for those court docs——–It was a honor to read the court doc by Judge Rosenbaum.I followed his line of reasoning,and respect everone of his decisions.As much as I would like Howard and Lin Wood to have OQ IRS records,as the judge said,there is no perceived hiding of assests,by OQ .(He donates to charity,and makes sure is name is on everything he donates to)he such a modest fellow,ha ha.Howard and LIN Wood will be able to see all of 2008 financial statements.I also think the judge put Rusty Hardin in his place,what happen with Howard in another case has no bearing on this case.Also the docs by the judge,and by Lin Wood are so direct and professional,MY OPINION–OQ shows comtempt,for the court,by handing the court doc,a first grader would hand in, inaccurate.thrown,together mess.
I have a question, if I read the document right. O’Quinn only has to show for 2008? Wouldn’t that aslo include the 40 million dollars defecit that he owes his implant clients? Would that work against Howard? Can those assets be offset by his liabilities? Will the insurance policeis show what they might pay when the fight over that money is over with?
O’Quinn disgusts me. His actions since he got involved disgusts me. At one time I thought he was only parroting his clients opinions but this man will ANYTHING to gain his own end. Including slandering innocent people.
To defeat defendants MOTION FOR SUMMERY JUDGEMENT on the absence of actual malice,Plaintiff will utilize the deposition of Rita Cosby.Wilma Vicedomine.and Jack Harding.in other words,those depos have to be REAL INTERESTING,because Lin Wood would never utilie them unless they could help Howard prove MALICE.DIAMOND GIRL,that a good question,I would assume it would include everything from 2008,but because it has not been payed yet,that to me is not a defecit.I am not sure,there has been so many appeals by OQ,is it still in appeal.?To me,handing in docs that OQ handed in,shows a lack of respect for the court and lack of respect for Judge Rosenbaum and sheer MALICE,OQ is writing his own script,and turning it in as fact,IT IS NOT.
Liann [19] I do not think O’Quinn expected Howard Stern to hire one of the best Defamation Attorney’s there is. I agree with you on those interviews with O’Quinn and Virgie and in my opinion they were being a little to touchy feely. What Attorney lets his client stroke his hand during an interview?
I had never thought as to why O’Quinn may have collapsed that day other then low sugar and that was only because it was brought up after he fell out on the floor. Now that you all mention it [in the other thread], it does make sense. Ms. James was telling the court what Anna had told her about Virgie so what better way to take the attention away from the negative/bad being said about her by having Texas collapse on the courtroom floor. I do not remember but did they resume testimony with Ms. James after the O’Quinn fall out on the floor?
JMA——you are making me laugh.trust me,that only thing on OQ mind while Virgie,s hand was stroking his was the big Payoff he was hoping to get from her.(TAKING CARE OF THE MARSHALL CASE)Virgie was the fat golden goose,and OQ was all set for dinner.
LOL
Well stated Miss Beverly! 
(too bad that golden goose only laid rotten eggs…)
Lol beverly!!! to nfunny!
JMA, I will never forget that moment and my husband cracking up saying come on dude that is the oldest trick in the book, saying who does he think he is perry mason, (only meaning how old the show was). He was telling me that he did it for the very reasons you are speaking of, Mrs. James was their best witness.
DAISY—–love your husband thought,I remember the judge calling for orange juice,so mine is he was tuckered out from helping Virgie,s husband help Virgie into court,most likely the circulation was cut off of his arm .and he got dizzy.
You know the more I read OQ statements,the more I know (he has lost it)This case is Howard K stern verses John O.Quinn,not in reverse,” Defendants specifically seek for a order to preclude plaintiff.s counsel from revealing the financial information to Mr Stern,To me.that is a good one,lordy,lordy.I cannot,believe that poor excuse for a lawyer,had the nerve to even request such a decision,Howard case. and he is not to know the most pertinent information
This was written about 35 months ago…
“Time Magazine, Daniel Kadlec duped by Houston attorneys Wes Christian and John O’Quinn”
http://miami.indymedia.org/news/2005/11/2676.php
I found it very interesting, and there is some colorful wording in parts of this article.
ie: “These corrupt liars who call themselves lawyers know this. Endovasc of Montgomery, Texas is a perfect example of this fraud that Houston attorneys O’Quinn and Christian aid and abet.”
(and)
“This fraud is further related to California by way of the Cheetah Club a lap dance or strip joint whose San Diego branch was convicted of bribing San Diego city council members and was or is owned by Galardis, father and son. NCANS NET or National Coalition Against Naked Short Selling that is funded in great part by Patrick Byrne of Overstock com gives the Las Vegas Cheetah Club as its only ‘address’. The Cheetah Club is the only striptease joint to my knowledge to be investigated by FBI under the Patriot Act.”
(and)
“Since 2002 Houston attorneys John O’Quinn and Wes Christian out of massive ignorance, which I doubt, or an undisclosed reason to aid massive penny stock fraud against investors, have fraudulently claimed many worthless penny stock companies they have represented as victims of ‘naked short selling’.”
ps > There were many articles I found on this search below. ‘Texas attorney John O’Quinn’s losses in Courts.’
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Texas+attorney+john+o%27quinn%27s+losses+in+courts&aq=f&oq=
*I had NO idea that Pirtle used to be part of the O’Quinn Law Firm! (or) is he still?
http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2003/1013/066.html
“Wall Street’s Next Nightmare?” Rob Wherry, 10.06.03
“Flamboyant litigator John O’Quinn is gunning for another bonanza: the entire trading system in penny stocks”
“From his 23rd-floor suite of offices in Houston’s Lyric Centre, John M. O’Quinn is plotting what he hopes will be his next multibillion-dollar jackpot. Not that the 62-year-old senior partner of O’Quinn, Laminack & Pirtle needs the dough; FORBES estimates his law firm has won $1.5 billion in fees from the makers of silicon breast implants and cigarettes. This time he’s aiming at Wall Street. O’Quinn has a hand in 15 lawsuits…”
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Hell! Lin and HKS just need to check out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_O‘Quinn
“O’Quinn now maintains an extensive collection of cars, with a total value of over $100 million to buy 618 cars”
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Pirtle is not listed here on their site: http://www.oqlaw.com/CM/Custom/Attorneys.asp
(that pic of O’Quinn must have been taken over 25 years ago, or more)
Opps, you have to type the ( ‘Quinn ) in the address bar after going to wikipedia… then hit go. Sorry.
Well, enough of all of this searching. I am off to get some things done, have a good day everyone.
Sammy,
I haven’t been able to get on chat… So, I am sorry that I missed our time to get together. (Unless it was Sun morn at 9:00)
*You can send me a pm through the forum if you want. I do not always check my email though, it has probably been days since I looked last.
Feel free to send me a message if you want to get together for our politcal disscussions. Hope you have been well. ~B~
OMG, Beverly you are to funny
wow Beth, that’s interesting
BETH———Would you know if that was the case(Endovasc Montgomery Texas Fraud) Don Clark was investigating For the FBI.against OQ,And is it not a coincidence,that Montgomery Texas is where Virgie Arthur lives,and in OQ court papers he said Virgie came to him for help,could it be Virgie Arthur enticed the money gruppen lawyer with the prospect of the Marshall money,because she found herself a underhanded unscruplous lawyer,and she was desperate,to get her hands on the marshall money?
Beth, thanks for those links.
A lot of them I hadn’t read. The one I took pleasure in reading was Saturday, July 21, 2007 included these words…
“Karma’s a bitch - Shyster who fraudulantly sued breast implant manufacturers loses $36-60 million for defrauding clients . Instant Karma meet one John O’Quinn, attorney-at-law of Houston, TX. Mr. O’Quinn is best know as the shake-down artist ” (His character is so well known, and yet…?,)
The one about the land fiasco…..it would be so wonderful if the courts would award that land to some of the people seeking judgement against him, and they in turn, would open it up for the public to enjoy. That would be a wonderful public service opportunity for Howard to do. The people of Texas would love him.:)
As far as him “under the table” in Seidlin’s court, maybe he did have a sugar problem, but I always thought that it was because he wasn’t getting enough attention in the court room, and not even being addressed by his name, but rather as “Texas”. Like Rodney Dangerfield said ” I get no respect”. lol
Beverly, I did quite a few searches (changed the words up in many ways…) Could only find the following statement in some articles regarding Endovasc… ‘The FBI will not touch this…’
I used ‘FBI’. ‘Clark’, ‘O’Quinn’ along with some key components but still could not find a ‘written’ connection for you. Sorry.
I would guess that O’Quinn’s name and reputation was well known to Virgie and all people who live in Montgomery, I would bet over the years it was also known to VA about the close relationship that O’Quinn had with the good ‘ole lawyer of the Marshalls; Rusty.
I agree with you about Virgie’s main goal was to get some of that Marshall money… I believe this because the first thing she (VA) said in a public interview after Daniel’s death > had to do with Howard Marshall leaving Daniel a trust fund. I always wondered if she felt that should go to her. (like if there was a trust fund - it belonged to her and not Anna due to her helping out when he was a child)
IMO that woman has many problems, I do not think I would ever be ‘right in the mind’ if one of my toddlers got shot with a gun that I had left in their reach! Wait! That would never happen, as I know that guns should be always locked up unless you go on a hunting trip! (or) Use them in your line of work!
There honestly should be no excuse for that happening! I know it does happen, but in my line of thinking it should never happen.
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OMG Raven! How very funny! (Dangerfield)
& ’shake-down artist’
Wouldn’t that be something! If the Courts did award some of that land and it was put to good use for all citizens! Great thoughts!
I enjoy reading all your guys thoughts and ideas. I can tell you truly do have ‘good hearts and souls’.
Beth thanks a lot for the links some I have read some I have not .Very intersting articles especially about the short selling I did read about that one cause the Clinon name was bought up in it.
Sorry Clinton name
Hmm, yes I do remember that about the Clinton name coming up.
Hope you have been well.
I am going go lay down, I have had a wicked headache the last hour or so. Think it is related to sinus, change in the weather ect…
So sad to hear about the pretty 26 year old reporter passing away. (I believe in Arkansas) I will get a link quick.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/10/25/tv.anchor.attack/index.html?eref=rss_latest “Arkansas TV anchor dies days after attack”
That story and the 7 yr old little boy from Chicago is so sad. I think the estranged husband of Jennifer Hudson’s sister (pic with the wild hair) is being questioned by the police - they have him. I think it has to do w/ the 7 yr old’s bio dad as they cannot find him. The whole sad story is truly a bit confusing.
I will just pray for his safe return and the capture of who harmed Jennifer’s mom and brother.
Good night everyone.
BETH——–The going off of a loaded gun is something I have had a problem with ever since I read it,Her department covered for her,and that was wrong.(careless use of a firearm)What at this point is a bigger problem,is Virgie,s use of people,and how many have to be hurt,because of her.In death,Anna showed the world what she had to deal with,with her family,It is so easy to blame Howard,just like the gun,not Virgie,s fault.right from the start OQ and Virgie,s greed came through,NOT love of a baby girl that would never see her mother,not the thought that she has a daddy,GREED
Beverly,
Good morning. I honestly do not know what to think of that situation either. If that would happen today with a police officer / sheriff there would be a huge investigation. I just truly wonder if it was because the incident happened so many years ago or if it was because the department ‘took care of their own’ kind of thing went down.
I honestly do not know how severely the wound affected this boy. (man now) I have always been a little confused with all of the different stories on her other children. I remember seeing the interview with the one in jail, but that was not him.
I agree that it truly does look and seem like VA does use people to achieve her agenda or goal. It does look like it does not matter who gets hurt in the process. This is one reason I have never understood even the handful (maybe 4 or 5) people even saying; ‘poor Virgie’. Each and every one of her actions from the time of Daniel then Anna’s passing has clearly not been for the ‘good of Dannielynn’.
I always wanted to know what these handful of people thought:
>When she appealed the decision for Larry to take the baby from the Bahamas.
>What did they think of her having papers served to him in the hospital in CA / KY when he was so sick? Papers that would give her some control…
>What do they think of her and O’Quinn having a PI follow him after he came to the States with his daughter?
>What the hell do these few think of a man (O’Quinn) spending over half a million just on her ‘pro bono’ defense to get a partial or total custody/guardianship of Dannielynn in the beginning?
>What do they think of VA going on Greta and saying she wanted someone from Larry’s family and someone from her family monitoring how any funds were spent for Dannielynn?
Well, I could go on and on….
*It just has never made any sense to me, and I bet it makes NO SENSE to any Court in any State either!
I will say this, if HKS wins a large settlement form O’Quinn and Cosby. PLEASE give it all to you parents (for now) and out of your name!
Reason being this is a big PART of the rational of why HKS got served a defamation suit in Texas. I believe that O’Quinn will do the same thing that McCabe did with that college girl. Remember how she won money in a settlement? Then he turns around and sues her and by default wins a great deal of that money back.
I believe this was a safeguard in recouping any losses for Texas and O’Quinn just like Virgie, he doesn’t seem to care whom gets hurt in the process.
For example; people from this site, Art, Bonnie, ect…
That Texas suit should be thrown out! As Truth is a Defense. The thing is if it does go forward… O’Quinn will be able to ask for all of everyone’s assets and monies just like Howard is doing to him. Let’s hope it does not go that far, and it is made confidential so the bloggers (that handful on VA’s side) that do so much harm will not have a ‘field day’ on the web with all the information that comes out of the Texas case.
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(and)
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WoW! I just wonder how the McCain/Palin ticket is taking this blow?
BETH———I do not like thinking this,but I do,once Virgie is through with these cases she will find another way to torment Howard and Larry,and anyone else keeping her from money weather it be larry who has his daughter,or Howard,in fact ,BETH you are right if Howard wins against Rita and OQ she will go after that moneyIt has to be the courts that stop her cold.Virgie has been nothing but,a mother and grandmother,with like Anna said jealousy,and greed in her heart.
Yes Beverly, I sincerely believe that you are right. Even Virgie herself said she would never stop. To me, the Courts should view that has a ‘harassment threat’ and if I was Howard I would get a restraining order on her for her trying to harm him, Larry, Dannielynn and Anna’s estate.
I do have hope that no one else would give VA a free reign with unlimited legal funds like O’Quinn has done. Maybe in a few years when the Marshall money does settle for Dannielynn… O’Quinn will have had his legal license revoked! And any other lawyer would ’see the truth’ when it comes to her agenda.
I wish that Virgie and her few followers would get it straight in their heads:
>Anna was ESTRANGED from her bio mom!
>This was Anna’s choice!
>She had reasons for NOT wanting this woman ever NEAR her daughter!
>Anna had reasons to keep Daniel away for so many years!
>There is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY to spin these facts any differently.
>Even the crazy acting Judge in Florida in the probate Court said Anna’s mom was not credible!
>What else is it going to take? These people are truly not seeing the concrete facts clearly.
*I would have thought that a Law Firm in Texas, especially with their own former FBI expert
would have seen this as a losing battle.
But then again, some people are not that smart just because they have a title! Like: FBI, Lawyer, Sheriff, ect… IMO anyway.
I believe that VA was not a sheriffs deputy when the gun thing happened .I think she was working at stop and go kind of place.I just wonder if she had a permit to carry or don’t you have to have one in Texas?
Hmm—–You are right,but what is even more dangerous,is that gun could have gone off at any time,to take the purse out of the store,you had to move the purse anyone could have got shot,where was her brains,I hope pol or Patrik tell the truth,there was a letter on this site from Anna to them,did they not say they went to the store anna was smiling and ok,when they came back Anna was crying because of her mother,on TVsaying Anna and Howard (M) Daniel.When this is all over ,I WISH THE WORLD WOULD NEVER AGAIN HEAR THE NAME OF VIRGIE A.RTHUR
The world already don’t want hear her name! just look at the newspapers…
Beth, enjoyed reading what you brought forth, and it makes you stop and think. Always thought money was the issue behind Virgie and OQuinn, but that is my opinion from what Virgie said.
The gun going off, happen while Virgie worked at the store, and it was her protection. Back in those days and it being in TX., it would be a question whether she needed permit. The son was affected, and later had been sent for treatment. This had to be trauma to the other children, and disruption in the household.
Beverly [28] and Beth [29] you guys are too funny
Daisy [31] do you remember if they resumed testimony with Ms James after O’Quinn’s theatrical moment?
JMA——-Is Ms James the one that said Anna could call her mother,Anna needed a mother,so bad,?The camera went to Virgie,and what a evil look on her face,and as cold as ice.I was crying like a baby,and ugly looked like ,WHO CARES.
JMA, yes they did resume Ms. James testimony.
Beverly [44] and Beth [45] wasn’t the bit about the loaded gun going off and shooting VA’s son in the head said to of happened while Virgie was working for a convenient store, I think 7-11? Is/was the state of Texas that dangerous to where employees of convenient stores carry loaded guns to and from work. Regardless, Virgie should have known better then to leave a loaded gun lying around while having small children in the house. I did notice she would not say in court that her son is disabled due to her own negligence; she said he was disabled due to a head injury when he was a child.
Thanks Daisy I could not remember if they did or not.
Yes Febbie, it was before she worked in the sheriff’s office. I am sorry, but still any adult even having a gun for protection should know to unload it or keep it locked up with small children. Even that many decades ago, there were stories of children getting a hold of guns and getting hurt.
To me it was an avoidable accident.
You are absolutely right about the trauma that it must have caused for all involved. The children and even Virgie herself must have been mentally harmed by that event. I truly am sorry that it even happened.
There has to come a time that she quits blaming Howard though. It is clear that Anna made her choices, VA’s idea that HKS was in control has been proven wrong again and again. I even believe that VA does know this to be true, because if she wanted to see Anna so bad when she was alive then Virgie could have went to the media and accused him then of him not letting Anna talk to her. She only tried to portray him as a svengali after Anna was no longer here, as Anna would have certainly put a stop to it. I believe that Virgie left Anna alone due to the fact that Anna could tell the public so many things about her, and after Anna passed it seems like a weight was lifted off of Virgie. It seemed like she felt now no one will tell the truth about me and think I am not a good person. *Boy was she wrong! As her own actions after Anna’s death proved what kind of person she is.
Of course this is just what it seems like to me, from looking at it as an outsider looking in; concerning this sad saga. I guess the only ones who know the truth are she and Anna. I hope one day she leaves Howard, Larry and Dannielynn alone though. Her bridges have been burned beyond repair, I hope Larry honors Anna’s wishes and keeps her away from that innocent child. IMHO
JMA, we think alike! I did not read your #56 post until I had posted my last one…
Yes, I wonder how disabled it made him? I mean is he able to live on his own? Hold down a job, ect…
It is a very sad story of anyone getting hurt accidentally or purposely with a gun.
They scare the hell out of me!
Beth I think Virgie said that her disabled son lives next door to her? I know she said one of her sons does and if memory serves, I think she said it was that one.
I hope she takes good care of him and if he lives next door it sounds like she does.
It was an tragic accident, a very sad story.
Thirty years ago,gosh it it hard to believe it has been that long,I was asked to I D a friend of mine,that blew his head off with a gun,The sight of what I saw has never left me,and never will,Anna being a child at the time of the incident at home with the gun,you can bet,never left Anna,also can you put yourself in Anna,s place,and instead of a understanding,and loving mom,Virgie would handcuff Anna to a bed,EVERYTHING you hear Virgie did to Anna,and yet OQ went on TV to say Dannielynn should be with Virgie,Now Virgie hiring a PI to check out Larry .is a joke,I would hate to think Dannielynn did something to displease Virgie,and out comes the belt,Anna said she got from Virgie.
Larry Hart is the one who told about Anna’s brother Donny being shot by Virgie’s gun. Larry said Virgie’s purse with loaded gun in it was lying on the bed and Donny climbed up knocking it down which cause the gun to go off and strike him in the head. Larry said Virgie never spoke about it after that day. Seems as though Virgie could not face her own guilt or would not acknowledge she was responsible. After being responsible for her child’s disability she then goes on to become a peace officer in which she continued to carry a handgun.
To be very honest I do not think Virgie was a street cop, I think she was nothing more than a secretary.
Daisy yes let us hope she does take good care of him.
What bothers me the most besides a child being harmed because of a parent own negligence but how Virgie and her legal team wanted to paint a horrible picture of Howard in the Florida courtroom. When Virgie was asked about her other children she said that one was disabled. Virgie failed to tell the judge that he was due to her negligence. They tried to put Virgie on a pedestal by bringing up how she was a peace officer.
JMA I agree, it’s wrong and VA should let it go and try to mend what time she has left here on earth.
You know,I was wondering how long it would take,for Virgie and her supporters,to start on Larry,NOT LONG FOLKS, they are at it already.poor Dannielynn she is being so mistreated.In my entire life,I never seen such evil and sick people.and try as they may,Keeping this going,Virgie will never see Dannielynn .The saying CUT YOUR NOSE TO SPITE YOUR FACE,COMES TO MIND
You are right Beverly it did not take Virgie supporters long to start on Larry. They say Dannielynn is being exposed to a worse life with him then if she were with Virgie. They claim Larry has Dannielynn around bad people, drug addicts. They claim Larry is a drug addict and parties all the time while neglecting Dannielynn. The Virgie supporters act as though they know Larry’s life personally. The stuff those people come up with is nothing more than BS. Virgie supporters will make up anything in order to make Virgie look like the better person to raise Dannielynn but the thing is their opinions and accusation do not mean crap. Virgie would have to prove Larry unfit and that will never happen. My hope is [God forbid] if anything should happen to Larry before Dannielynn becomes of age that Larry has it set to where his family would get custody of DL. Larry being the only living parent to Dannielynn can have it legally drawn up to where if anything should happen to him his family gets Dannielynn and there is not a thing Virgie can do about it.
JMA, I wouldn’t worry to much about that. I feel certain Larry understands what he needs to do to protect DL. His will will dictate who cares for his daughter if something happens to him. I have one set up for my son, no one will be able to tell the courts who will care for him because I have a will that provides that very important clause.
I don’t believe it is the disabled son that lives next door I thought she said it was the one that worked for the government that lived next door.What is even more funny is that I once told a poster that dannielynn wouldf be ok cause Larry would make sur she went to a member of his family and the poster shot back that he migh just sign her off to Howard to take care of till sge reached of age.Now wouldn’t that be the cats meow .I’m getting real old here with that one.Gotta say here Larry better wa6tch his back as O’Quin and VA will always be after him till these suits are settled or at least untill the Marshall one is.Than Larry better really watch out .I sometimes wonder if he realises howthese people will go after him for anything he does.It seems like he can’t even get a night out without it becomming news and someone asking where is Dannielynn.Don’t people realise others go out and have babysitters?
I completely agree JMA, I sure hope Larry has all his ducks in a row if anything was to happen to him. I still can’t get over the fact that Virgie tried to have Larry sign something when he was in the hospital with a high fever, But I would not put anything past her.
Febbie check your e-mail, when you get a chance let me know. Thanks, Sorry off topic.
Virgie son lives next door is not the one that was disable. The one disabled, had to be sent to a home for care, until he could deal with his disability. Whatever happen still put a heavy toll on the family, and making it harder for them to have a stable home. Was this one of the reasons Anna felt like she did, nobody knows, but something happen to make Anna… to have a love and hate of her mother. jmo
Beth, I agree, guns are something that if you own them, you take precaution to keep them safely away from children and people with problems.
OFF Topic– Hi all, I’m outta the loop and so behind, hope all is well.
You know everyone,if you think about it, these past two years will show any court what Virgie truly is.If you noticed,Virgie,going to parties,Virgie having Makeover,Virgie trying to act like she is Anna,(BUT NOW WAIT)I see no pictures of Virgie with her son, the son she disabled,NO pictures of her taking him on a trip,for enjoyment,and with all the pictures,NONE helping anyone but herself,I suppose,this is the time,to keep her (ACCIDENT) hidden.must not remind people of a gun totting grandma,who destroyed her own son life from (CARELESS USE OF A FIREARM).No one should be reminded,how Anna,s life was a hell,what a STUPID,STUPID lawyer Virgie has,ALL of them,they could not see past the GREED.(TO LATE NOW)If you are claiming ,Larry is not a good father,WHAT has Virgie shown the world.
And to put a topper on all of the this,(VIRGIE OWN ACTIONS)NOT Anna,s tape,which Virgie is claiming defamed her.I think Virgie needs a new PR MAN.Does anyone see , anytime you would see Virgie on camera,none of her family,in the past two years, we all got treated to Virgie ugly face,with the smirk,and smiling at the Inquest,where the topic was her DEAD GRANDSON.and splash and access holywood,Did anyone one see a close family all together,NO WAY,Sounds like a good place to put Dannielynn,are Virgie supporters mindless or what?
This is a great step forward for Howard’s case….I’m so very happy. Great to be back with you all! Been out of the loop for a while…..and I need to catch up (impossible) wish we could CHAT! lol.
Febbie [72] so the one that Virgie told the judge that live several miles away is the one who is disabled? Not only did Virgie fail to tell how he became disabled but did not reveal he was living in a facility that helps with his disability. Wonder if Anna ever told anyone about her brother being shot with her mother’s handgun and how she had witnessed it. I wonder did any of them go through counseling especially Anna since she witness something so traumatic at such a young age.
I know to some may considered this pointless but considering how Virgie and her legal team were trying to portray Howard as some sort of monster just because he wanted to honor Anna’s wish by having her buried next to Daniel in the Bahamas, I feel everything about Virgie should had been revealed.
lots of thoughts and questions this morning: sorry i know some of this straying a bit from main topic of article but i feel all are related. if i don’t post this as i’m thinking of it i’ll forget what i want to say and ask?
by the way I believe it was denise james from the witness stand that was the first to offer a nutrition bar of some type to joq when he fell out in the floor. does anyone remember that? that says a lot to me about ms james character. even though she was saying negative things (and apologizing to va for saying them) about joq client ms james first impulse was one of compassion and humanity. i would say that “some people” involved in these cases could take a few lessons from her in that category.
it sure does look like tx is going down. i’ve always heard it said that everything is bigger in tx. does this mean that when the big guy (joq who thinks he’s too big to be brought down) goes down he goes down bigger than he would if he wasn’t from tx????
why didn’t judge order joq financial accounting to be given for property and assets that he had before hks sued him? doesn’t lw need them to compare to the 2008 ones to see if there has been any juggling/moving/hiding of assets so hks wouldn’t have true picture of joq financial assets for courts to award any monies to hks?
i may be wrong about this but I have always thought that when ans died va’s immediate thoughts and original intentions were to get ans body buried in the family plot in tx and then move ds to tx. maybe because she really feels family should be buried in family plots regardless of what kind of relationship the family members have with each other. another thought is that it could have been for control since ans wouldn’t let her control her in life and/or to spite hks because ans chose to have him in her life but not to have va in her life.
i’ve never thought va wanted custody of dl. while battle over ans body was still going on in fl i remember hearing va herself say on tv several times that she didn’t want to raise dl but that she would if she had to. i think it was on nancy grace and other shows and also i thought i heard her say it in court but i can’t remember all the places that i heard her say it. some of you may remember better than i where all she said it.
i don’t think va believed that hks was dl father and wanted to get her away from him, asap. i think in the beginning she believed lb or at least hoped that lb was dl father and wanted lb to have custody of his daughter since ans was gone. va also said several different times and places (can’t remember all the shows) that she wanted lb to have dl and that she thought he would be a good father. then one night out of the blue i heard joq say on ng that va wanted to raise dl. this was the interview where he and ng were talking about grandmother’s rasing their grandchildren. he said he was raised by his grandmother (did anyone ever check out that story of his about who raised him?) and ng told him that her grandmother helped raise her because her mother worked. after i heard that interview i stopped seeing va on tv saying that she didn’t want to raise dl and/or that she just wanted to be a grandmother. in fact she didn’t do a lot of talking about this at all after this ng/joq interview. joq started doing most of the talking and then he started talking about joint custody, custody, partial control of dl money, etc. after joq started this kind of talk i heard va do an interview where she said she thought she and/or someone in lb family should have some control over dl money because lb was such a young man and could be influenced by other people. my opinion if you can’t be trusted with money then why in the world would anyone trust you to care for an innocent little human life??? isn’t the care of an innocent baby’s life more important than how money is handled???
i’m not a va fan and don’t agree with things she has allowed to be done. i just don’t think her brain had the ability to conceive of a plan of this magnitude. i’ve always thought that joq planted all these ideas in va head. i think she was driven by greed, a desire to feel important and a desire for revenge which made her give joq the ok to do all the things that he has done in her name.
questions about va husband (mr arthur): ok hks is suing rc, and joq. va is suing hks and too many others to list here. so many of the same people are involved in all of these lawsuits so joq, rc, hks, dc, wv, va, etc., etc., etc., i can’t even keep up with all of them that have given depos. will va have to give one? what about mr a? i haven’t seen or heard anything about him since va was in bahamas when lb left bahamas with dl in may 2007. how does mr a feel about va’s actions since ans death especially all the things once lb was determined to be dl father and given custody? was he not invited to the book party? did he choose not to go because he doesn’t like that sort of thing or did he choose not to go because he doesn’t approve? where was he when va was in bahamas for ds inquest? if he was there i missed it? where was he when his wife went to ans & ds grave? why wasn’t he there to console his grief sticken wife? i’ve wondered for a long time what mr a’s thoughts were about his wife’s actions?
i don’t think anyone wanting to sue someone needs any ideas from me so i don’t think what i’m asking will cause anyone to do so. i’ve often wondered why didn’t ans father go after hks like va has for the alleged wrong doing that hks is accused of regarding ans life, ans & ds deaths, ans money? why isn’t he trying to get custody of dl and/or some control over dl’s money? i wonder if ans father has contacted lb and tried to see or inquire about dl?
well folks if i had any other thoughts this morning i’ve forgotten what they were. anyway this is plenty for everyone to read and think about for now anyway.
Beverly [74] we have not seen any pictures of Virgie with any of her children besides Anna. We have not seen any pictures of Virgie with her other grand children either. Since Anna’s death we have not seen any of Virgie’s other children beside her and showing their support for their mother. The only ones who have made any public statements are Anna’s half siblings, her father’s other children. Makes you wonder what the relationship between Virgie and her children is like. How close is Virgie to her other grandchildren? We do not know any of the answers because none of her children has spoken in her defense.
You would think if Virgie were such a loving caring mother and grandmother, the children/grandchildren would be showing their support for her. I’ll tell you one thing if my parent or grandparent was being wrongfully dragged through the mud [as the Biddies' claim] you better be damn straight I would be right by their side publicly defending and supporting.
sarah54 my opinion is every one of Virgie’s actions has been for control. Virgie wanting Anna and Daniel’s bodies buried in Texas was strictly for profit. Virgie was unable to get money from Anna after Anna gave her the boot so Virgie just like some others who took advantage of Anna’s money [Missy] is trying to cash in after Anna’s death.
Speaking of Missy, I do not think she saw Anna’s interview with ET and then all of the sudden felt sorry for Virgie. I think Virgie told Team Texas about Missy. Missy stated in her interview that Virgie did not like her and did not want Anna hanging out with her. My opinion, Missy was brought in to make Virgie look like mother of the year. I mean what better way than to have someone you did not want your child hanging with go on national television and praise you. It’s funny how Virgie’s suit stems from Anna telling the world what an awful mother she was but then here comes Missy telling the opposite and claim Anna stole her childhood horrors. I find all of this a little ironic.
Sarah
Virgie lied. Plain and simple. She went to the Bahama’s to “check on and claim” Dannielynn BEFORE she ever went to Fl. There is a picture somewhere on the internet of VA on the steps of the police station in the Bahama’s as well as getting off the plane and she has that damn smile on her face. This was less than 48 hours after her daughters death and she is standing there with camera’s in her face with a smile. She always had intentions of filing for custody of Dannielynn. Look at how many times VA lied about things. There were several times she did in the burial hearings. I don’t believe a word out of her mouth. She has said so many things and then done the exact opposite. It wouldn’t surprise me any if she didn’t have some type of “backdoor” deal with the Marshalls.
Yes VA said many times she wanted LB to have custody of Dannielynn. UNTIL he actually got custody. Then she filed for an injunction to keep DL in the Bahama’s WITH HKS, preventing LB from taking DL home with him. She wanted custody and there is still an unresolved custody case in the Bahama’s. I don’t think it matters much now because DL has been a legal resident of US for over a year now and VA would have to file in US now. The Bahama’s custody suit is moot but it is still very much there.
If the blogger suit goes forward then I am pretty sure VA will have to give a depo. She is going to have to prove that Rose, Lyndal, Butterfly, and all the rest of the gang hurt her reputation. She will have to prove that they caused her to loose custody of Dannielynn. That is, after all, what she is claiming in her lawsuit. I don’t get how she can sue in the US for something she has never even tried to do in the US. She has NEVER filed for custody of DL on US soil. The only thing she did do towards that was try to get LB to sign over DL when he was very ill in the hospital. She was still trying to get control.
VA has always been about the money. That’s my opinion and I’m stickin to it.