Is Judge Belvin Perry the new Judge Ito – Why does the D. A. Need so Much Junk Science?
Posted by Rose in Casey Anthony, Caylee Anthony, George and Cindy Anthony, Geraldo - Live, Geraldo At Large, Geraldo FOX News, High Proflie Trials, Jose Baez, Nancy Grace, Roy Krunk
Remember Judge Ito in the O. J. Simpson trial? Do you remember that Judge Ito accommodated the D. A. over and over until we came to the gloves if “If they don’t fit you must acquit”. I have wondered if that might be the case in the cans of odor, what if those are opened for the jury and there is no smell?
Now this morning we find that Arpad Vass, PhD, Oak Ridge, (The body farm research facility), on the stand all day yesterday had via trusting the D. A. identified the WRONG can. Not to mention that the body farm is a research facility NOT a forensic laboratory, thus they don’t follow the strict protocol that is in required in criminal cases. This evidence has never been allowed in any court, state or federal since the research facility since it’s creation in 1981. The question is why?
The FBI witness on the one band of hair had a death band on it, again many consider that “junk science”; why? Because it is not reliable and recent studies have confirmed that as late as 2010. I agree there is a first time for any new technique, like DNA to be allowed in court. But in the Casey Anthony case why are we getting so much of never introduced techniques? I mean really the FBI does not even use the hair analysis in federal court and they pay for that research. The body firm is RESEARCH, like going out with a divining rod, made out of a coat hanger to hunt for dead bodies among other new techniques or would that be old techniques.
Why does the D. A. need these many unproven, uncontrolled in chain of evidence new “science” in this case? One might argue they decided Casey Anthony was guilty and have then recreated the evidence to prove that. Nothing wrong with that unless as some believe this was an accident then covered up and not premeditated murder. If the D. A. had DNA, and/or other hard and fast evidence we would not have to take this trip through old science that other courts have found not reliable. If Texas the king of death penalty cases, does not take it and no other state takes it after 20 years, why is there so much of it in one case? I can see one new science introduced, but all of this new “science”, it might be “overkill”, and if so could backfire in my opinion.
What are your thoughts, why are we taking infotainment as the gospel on this case every night; well not here in our home but Nancy Grace’s show has shot off of the charts because she creates the perfect environment of hate and prejudice. Let’s don’t even get into Geraldo Rivera who has been there every day.
What are your thoughts in the area of junk science? Can someone tell me who went back and got the garbage at the tow yard and how did that prove up that chain of evidence? I am worried about our legal system when almost everyone in the U. S. has had access to so many document dumps by any state in what appears to me to be a clear cut attempt to not only tamper a jury pool but to make Casey Anthony the most hated mother in our country.
In case you don’t have it, here is the State’s witness list and when they were added and what they are going to testify about. Florida State Witness List in Florida vs. Casey Anthony (1514)
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Junk Science….they should not be using any unproven scientific tests in a murder trial.
Evidence has to have an unbroken and uncontaminated chain.
Odour is just that. If there is an odour then their must be physical traces surely?
Makes me think this case is being tailor made to fit and leaving a heap of reasons for appeal..or reasonable doubt.
JN will be on the Local 7 news out in LA, talking about the Mike case.
Heath——I myself do not think this case is going to be won or lost on the “junk science”.Seven people smelled the odor of decomposition in Casey ‘s car.I cannot make a medical judgement,as to her mental state,that is for a psychartrist, but I will tell you,watching her for 3 years now.her jail house tapes,all her temper tantrums,all her lying,and all her cruel ways of hurting a lot of family members,and a whole lot of others this girl scares me,When she is not getting her way,watch out.Her mother and father overlooked her problem,and they have one dead beautiful grandchild,who else will die if Casey has a “temper tantrum”As for sex abuse,I will NEVER believe that,Baez,I am sure was counting on Casey’s boyfriend Tony to back him up,HE DID NOT
DNA was considered at one time “junk science”. DNA was use in the Simpson trial. I guess that was fine at the time?
Simpson hired a high-profile defense team initially led by Robert Shapiro[4][5][6] and subsequently led by Johnnie Cochran. Los Angeles County believed it had a solid prosecution case, but Cochran was able to persuade the jurors that there was reasonable doubt about the DNA evidence *(then a relatively new type of evidence in trials)*[7] – including that the blood-sample evidence had allegedly been mishandled by lab scientists and technicians – and about the circumstances surrounding other exhibits.
Again the DA cannot prove beyond a reasonable doubt that there was pre meditated murder here.
There is a distinct odor to a decomposing body. I cannot describe it. All the witnesses cannot be liars about the smell.
Answering Beverly from the other article……..
Beverly
He cheated on his wife and there isn’t a fake bone in his body? HUH?? I don’t believe he had any knowledge of what happened to Caylee. I don’t believe he helped get rid of her body. But the man isn’t NOT a Saint. I simply don’t know if he molested Casey. Is it possible? Hell yes it is. Casey shows classic symptoms of sexual abuse. She also shows classic symptoms of Associative Disorder and a few others. Can I hear what is being said about the emotional abuse and the sexual abuse and look at Casey and have empathy for that with her and see where her brain would work the way it does? ABSOLUTELY!! It’s very simialar sypmtoms and signs of someone who is also an addict. I know ALL about that and the reasons that I turned to drugs to blot out the pain from the pain from the past. Casey may not have been on drugs but the brain works very simialar. I understand that. I’ve been there. That doesn’t mean that everyone who is an addict or has assocative disorders or was sexual abused would hid the body of their child after that childs death BUT I can see how she was able to go on in life and live a pretend story that everything was ok. That doesn’t make her a cold blooded murder or heartless. That makes her one sick person who has some for of mental disorder. She needs serious mental help, NOT a needle in her arm. It took me 2 years of hard thearpy to work past my past. To this day I have my therapist on speed dial in my phone and can and will call anytime I feel myself slipping. That is why I am so good at showing anger. I had to learn to let it out and not keep it bottle up inside. That, amoung other things took a long time and a lot of hard work.
I do have empathy for Casey. I can, in some ways, relate to her. So I’m not so fast and hard set to convict and kill her.
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DG
Decomposition is a smell that one will never forget once they smell it. The problem is that there is NO physical evidence to PROVE that Caylee’s body was in that car. That is a huge problem for the prosecution. It doesn’t matter what how much Cindy tried to clean the car. The only true way to get rid of that physical evidence it to take all the carpet out of the trunk of the car and burn it. Then you would still have to clean the entire trunk of the car with special cleaners and then put all new carpet in it. WHERE IS THE PHYSICAL EVIDENCE? It’s hard to believe that a body would decompose in the trunk and then only evidence it was ever there is the smell.
ROXANNE—–Sometime when a man feels less of a man,there is cheating,I am hoping Cindy and George can work things out,I think HIS heart was in law Enforcement NOT CARS .What I just walked away from the TV for,I cannot understand everyone saying Casey was a good mother,NO SHE WAS NOT,Did she work to support her child?NO SHE STOLE MONEY.Did she not steal $45 OR $50 from Grandma to buy Clayee birthday party items.Was it not ma and dad that supported Clayee,Did she not bring Clayee to every boyfriend home,knowing nothing about the boys backround,Beause she played with the child a hour or two makes her a good mother?Casey was told by her mother,she was not a good mother,if everyone would STOP MAKING A INNOCENT PERSON out of Casey maybe she would have had a change,YOU are doing her NO FAVOR. Until she has professional help,she become’s more dangerous,How many people does she have to hurt before everyone stop feeling sorry for her,You and I disagree,I THINK SHE THOUGHT ABOUT IT AND IS A COLD BLOODED MURDERER. Why do you think she waited 31 days and not say anything till her ma insisted,For the childs body to decompose,because she was drugged to death
So you don’t believe in ‘innocent until proven guilty’ by a court of law? Just skip the trial and throw her away, to rot in jail?
Who the hell is trying to make her innocent? Never once have I said anything of the sort. I just happen to believe she gave Caylee something to make her sleep and she gave her to much. I don’t believe she made a plan and then put it into action with the intention of KILLING her child. I believe it was an accident. She waited 31 days because she was living in a fantasy world where to her…… it hadn’t happened and Caylee was off with the babysitter. You know there are people who can create and then believe the lie they created…… It’s called mental illness.
ROXANNE—I DO,and if you listened to prime news,Cindy,george,Lee Attorney was on,and said he saw the Psychartrist report,and it was not what Baez said.SHE WAS not living in a fanatsay world.She was living in her own SELF CENTERED WORLD.and her daughter was in her way,I am trying to wrap my head around you think it is 0K to give a child a drug to sleep.NOT IN MY WORLD.UNLESS A DR PRESCRIPED .
Rox thats what I mean, there has to be physical evidence…bodily fluids as the body decomposed…and all they have is odour!
also Thanks Swims
http://www.tmz.com/2010/02/10/dr-sandeep-kapoor-anna-nicole-smith-drugs-howard-k-stern-tmz-live2/128/#comments-anchor
Only swim in the Ocean 7 hours ago
CA Criminal Trial – Appeal Update 6-8-2011
• Prosecutors fail to meet today’s deadline to file Appellant brief
• Prosecutors ask for an extension of time
Give it up – after the righteous settlement of the SC case, all of your ‘eye-witnesses’ are officially compromised in both a State and a Federal Court. The prosecution’s deliberate presentation of perjured testimony and unfounded malicious lies should not go unnoticed by the Court.
Clearly Casey is sick, No doubt about that. “Classic signs” I don’t get the classic signs stuff. I have empathy and out of no where if I am watching the news and see a tragic or sad story or a friend tells me something I can and do all the time just bust out crying because I have empathy even never knowing I never met the person or whatever or relating to that story on a personal level, it affects the soul..
I think one must have a conscience and empathy to have a soul in my thinking and her lack of any of that is why I think so many people hate her. There is good and bad everywhere and all the lies she told I think if she just showed emotion and concern and cop out to it now and to play the blame game she would get empathy from a lot because she clearly is sick imo.
My heart just goes out to Cindy and George, I am a grandparent that loves my grand kids with all my HEART, if any thing was to happen to them and I did not get to see them in a day or two ( I would make the NEWS ) I would be very vocal and out of my mind. I don’t get why they waited so long.
I am in California and I know/knew many sluts that never had a daddy or even was used by them that were not sluts and sluts that just wanted to be sluts and had great parents. Casey imo was a slut and a attention whore. I believe in innocence before proven guilty.
“Classic” jargon is BS imo, I think it depends on the individual person and should not be grouped.
KEN,I am seeing the same and even more than a jury has been given,Do I have to wait for 12 people to make up my mind(I don’t think so)the fact is I have seen more than the jury so far has seen,I feel you have nothing to worry about,there is the one jurier that cannot judge,so there will be a hung jury.That is why there are cameras in the court,If you noticed the court of public opinion did not count in Howard K Stern and Dr E case,the judge did the right thing,and let the jury go so far before he stepped in.I am basing my opinion on many years working with young adults,that can lie there socks off just to get there way ,You have no idea how many lie to get methadone,most were telling real sad stories,other faking it.Working in a mental hospital;for 5 or 7 years I already forgot and being mentored by a very intelligent,compassionate Dr,I feel i can give my opinion,
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HOLD UP THERE SISTER……… NEVER NEVER NEVER HAVE I EVER SAID IT WAS OK TO DOPE YOUR CHILD UP…… PLEASE SHOW ME WHERE I SAID THAT.
NO MAM. You took what I said and you INTERPERTATED it and you ddi so wrongly.
It is a sad FACT that some parents do things like give their kids Nyquil so they will go to sleep. I hear people “joking” about it all the time. “Little Susie won’t go to sleep and she’s driving me nuts……” …….. “Give her some Nyquil, that will knock her out.” ……… Yes, sadly I have heard these exact statements from friends of mine at times.
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Yea I was refering to where DG said about the smell and all the people who smelled can’t be liars. I don’t think they are lying but maybe they are smelling something else, like garbage. I don’t know but I have a real problem with there being NO PHYSICAL evidence that a body was decomposing in that trunk.
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I’m talking about the way the mind works. If you have never been capable of “living a lie” then you can’t understand how a person could create a lie and then live it as if it were the truth. I have been there. I’ve been there. The woman is mentally unstable in some way. I’m not sure if it’s from sexual abuse or if there are just some chemicals off up top but there is something. To me that is all the more reason that she should be given mental HELP and NOT a needle in her arm. Should we just start an I.V. on everyone that has a mental illness that causes them to be void of emotion or feeling? I don’t think she is emotionless. I think during those jail videos she was still “living the lie” that Caylee was ok. At the least she was still living the lie that the babysitter had her and I’m sure she thought she was going to get out of jail. At that point she had to keep going on with it.
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Read up on Sexual Abuse, Associative Disorder, Psociopath( I know I didn’t spell that right) CLASSIC SYMPTOMS….. they are all listed from YEARS of studying by Psychiatrist and the like…….. they ALL hold CLASSIC signs and yes, Casey shows many of them.
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Working for a mental hospital for those years seems to have made you jaded against anyone who may have true mental problems. Seems you think they are all liars so fuck em…….
ROXANNE—I have never said I want her to get the death sentence,what I want is LIFE IN PRISON .You along with me cannot make a psychiatric judgement that I will leave to qualified medial Dr.THERE IS NO SEXUAL ABUSE.and I am ready to vomit watching her everyday stick her boobs in Baez or any man near her in there face.
I just love the way Casey does her crying,making sure not to disturb her eyelashes or her eye liner.just a dabble with a hankie Real true heartache.To late to show sorrow,when her daughter drowned as casey said,she went buying beer, push up bras but wait,that is Casey’s world ,What is different now,no boyfriend to bed,there goes Casey ‘s world.is that why she can cry NOW
16. Rox, Once you smell a human being decomposing, you do not mistake the odor for garbage. It doesn’t smell like a dead deer along side of the road either. Very hard to describe. Almost like trying to tell someone who never had a baby, that the pain is so extreme during delivery but you forget how intense the pain was after a little time has past.
And when you have a scientist that worked at The Body Farm, there is no doubt in my mind that he knows the smell of decomp under so many variations.
I am another oner who doesn’t believe she was sexually molested. Sorry. I think she, like many of her generation, knows how to use sexually abuse, just like they know how to use child abuse to get their own way. They lie and lie and lie in the attempt to save their own arse.
There has been many circumstantial trials throughout the years. The CSI affect or lack of in this case, really doeasn’t bother me at all.
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Bev
“Dr.THERE IS NO SEXUAL ABUSE.and I am ready to vomit watching her ”
Honey you just made a medical judgement there…….. You know I love you right? lol I’m just going to debate you till the cows come home on this one.
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DG
I worked in the medical field before I did what I do now so I know the smell. I haven’t been able to see each day of the trial but it’s my understand that some of the people who have made that claim are people who haven’t ever smelled it before, like her brother. If they have never smelled it before then how can they make the claim with absolute confidence.
As far as sexual abuse, I have never said she was. I have said that I don’t know if she was. I have said it is possible she was. I have said she shows evidence of someone who has been. I have also said she hows signs of disassotive and other mental issues.
Roxanne,The court closed early because Casey claimed she was sick.You have no idea how good I feel about that,What Casey is in need of is to face what she has done to her daughter,I feel it was done in a fit of rage,Casey will now also face the fact there is no mother ,father ,brother going to hold her hand,her family has had enough.When I think of what that small beautiful child went through before she died,I want Casey to spend the rest of her life remembering what she did to Clayee.how frighten Caylee must have been when she could not breath,Picture that and see if you have any compasson for Casey,PICTURE CLAYEE TRYING HARD TO BREATH.and remember ,on Casey computer was a search for neck breaking,and what was found just a head .apart from other bones
I have this roundup from reuters
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/09/us-crime-anthony-idUSTRE7585JO20110609
Trial session ends early as Casey Anthony takes ill
By Barbara Liston
ORLANDO, Fla | Thu Jun 9, 2011 6:19pm EDT
(Reuters) – Casey Anthony’s first-degree murder trial adjourned 90 minutes early on Thursday after she became ill during testimony about her 2-year-old daughter Caylee’s skull being found in a wooded area.
One particularly stark photograph displayed on the court’s nearly two dozen monitors and computer screens showed an up-close view of the toddler’s skull with empty eye sockets and silver duct tape covering the nose and mouth.
“Miss Anthony is ill. We’re recessing for the day,” Judge Belvin Perry announced to reporters at 3:30 p.m.
He did not offer details about her illness. Jurors, who were out of the courtroom on a break, were given no specific reason for the early dismissal.
Casey, 25, faces the death penalty if convicted of killing Caylee on June 16, 2008. Prosecutors say duct tape wrapped three times around Caylee’s skull, mouth and nose is the only evidence indicating how she died.
Defense attorney Jose Baez has told the jury Caylee accidentally drowned in the Anthonys’ backyard pool in the Orlando area.
Caylee was reported missing on July 15, 2008 after her grandmother found her car in an impound lot reeking of the odor of death. A cadaver dog and an expert in the biochemistry of human decomposition both found evidence that a decomposing body had been in the car trunk.
Caylee’s remains were found in woods a 10-minute walk from the Anthonys’ home on December 11, 2008 after a nationwide search.
Cindy and George Anthony, Casey’s parents who have attended nearly every minute of the trial now in its third week, left the courtroom before testimony began about Caylee’s remains.
At the defense table, lawyers turned their laptop screens away from Casey so she wouldn’t see the crime scene photographs. Casey kept her head lowered, dropping her chin almost to her chest during nearly two hours of testimony by Dr. Gary Utz, chief deputy medical examiner in Orlando.
SPECTATORS WARNED OF GRUESOME PHOTOS
Utz testified that Caylee’s skull was unusual because the mandible, or lower jaw bone, was still attached. Utz said he had never before seen a mandible attached to the rest of the skull at that stage of decomposition.
Utz said the adhesive from the duct tape had disintegrated. But he found some of the fabric backing of the tape and some matted hair entwined with plant roots stuck to the jaw bone.
Once he removed the tape and hair, Utz said, the mandible easily came away from the rest of the skull.
Utz showed the jury photographs of items found with the skull including a child’s striped shorts, an off-white canvas laundry bag, a black plastic garbage bag tied closed with a tight knot but ripped open from the bottom, and a leg bone.
Before Utz and other crime scene investigators began testifying, Perry warned spectators out of the jury’s presence to leave if they could not conceal their reactions to the photographs and descriptions.
Some had little sympathy for Casey as they exited the courtroom after the early adjournment.
“Give her a barf bag. Get some more DNA,” said Kim Chaney, a 50-year-old housewife from Weeki Wachee, Florida, who got up at 2:30 a.m. to see the trial in person.
In other testimony Thursday, Casey’s brother Lee Anthony returned to the stand and revealed yet another explanation Casey had given for the disappearance and death of Caylee.
After Cindy Anthony reported her granddaughter missing, Casey told detectives she had dropped Caylee off at the apartment of her nanny named Zanny and that the two were gone when Casey returned later to pick up Caylee.
But Lee said on Thursday that Casey told him a different version of what happened during a conversation they had in August 2008 before Caylee’s remains were found.
At an Orlando park “Zanny held Casey down and told her she was taking Caylee from her and she did that with the help of her (Zanny’s) sister,” Lee said Casey had told him.
“In Zanny’s opinion, Casey was not being a fit mother to Caylee. She was taking Caylee from her to teach her a lesson and also told her not to go to police.”
Lee said Casey told him “she was held on her wrists. She was held down. They were both supposedly sitting on a park bench.”
Lee testified Casey also told him Zanny commandeered Casey’s MySpace page, changed her password and sent her messages to go to certain places where Casey expected, but didn’t see, her daughter.
Defense attorney Baez acknowledged Casey lied about the existence of a nanny named Zanny and called the alleged messages from Zanny on Casey’s MySpace page “imaginary MySpace posts.”
(Editing by Colleen Jenkins and Jerry Norton)
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Bev
It won’t work with me. YOU nor anyone else knows how Caylee died except Casey. Could the tape have been put there in order to kill Caylee? Yes it could have. Could it have been put there after Caylee’s death to make it appear she had been kidnapped and killed by the kidnapper? Yes it could have. You can hate the woman so much that you are glad she is supposedly sick. To me that just makes me sad for you that you can hold that kind of hate in your heart. I realize a child died but I also realize the mother needs some serious psychological help. That whole family was dysfunctional as hell and I’m pretty sure in their own way, they all need some help.
As for the body and the head…… the skeleton was in many pieces. The bag had been torn open and remains scattered around. Remember, it took them 2 weeks to find everything and be certain that what they had was all they would ever find.
Roxanne—–Ater hearing Lee explain what “Zanny: was to supposed to have done in Jay Blandchard Park to Casey,she told the Bounty Hunter Padilla,something different happen in the park,She was given a note,and then they took Caylee ,the nanny and her sisters.Please,are you trying to tell me Casey would put her HOT BUTT in jail for three years for someone else,she would give up the ‘GOOD LIFE”?Cindy’s brother knows Casey well for all Casey’s years,after reading his e-mail to his sister,now Rick is Casey own uncle,NO ONE,,would cover up a accident,they happen in pools all the time,watching Casey mother brother and father,run around and chase after a child that Casey knew was already dead,you better believe that Judge is a saint,because that Brat would be made to sit there and look at what she did,if it was me.I DO NOT believe there is anything mental about Casey,she is just used to getting her own way,”SICK”NO WAY,WORKING ON THE PITY POT
ROXANNE—Just read a comment that hit the nail right on the head,The pattern of Casey Anthony life.The jury was beginning to see the pictures of Caylee remains,with the duck tape to the childs skull,Casey again as she has done all her life,had to ”TAKE ACTION” and get the attention off her child and on to her.Now she is twisting things for her to be the victum,Casey does not want the attention on Caylee.I AM SURE that is why Caylee is dead,Casey did not want to have to give any attention to her daughter,She wanted the attention
25. “NO ONE,,would cover up a accident” I don’t know where you’ve been living, but it does happen. People do try to cover up accidents and wrongdoings all the time. Didn’t we just cover a case on here where someone had an accident, killing a young woman out in CA, and they tried to cover it up?
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AMEN KEN
Ditto
THIS HAS BEE FUN ,but I am now spending a week in NANTUCKET,You have my opinion,i WONT change what I think,a thank god no computer,
new article up with docs relating to the forensic testimony.
Not trying to change your opinion. Just trying to get you to look at little more openly. Have fun on vacation. Be Safe.
The vehemence shown by so many people toward Casey (and toward the grandparents and brother in the past) prior to this trial is truly terrifying to me. People do not realize how they were manipulated by the police, prosecution and the “news”. The info put out there by “sources close to the investigation” and the televising of the “mob mentality” in front of the Anthony’s home, were designed to elicit the opinion’s and mindset of those expressed by people like Beverly. The overwhelming majority of people who state they “know what happened” and are so throughly convinced of the guilt of this person prior to her trial is exactly what the prosecution intended by their actions.
I tried, on a number of message boards, to try to get people to think about why so much prejudicial “non-evidence” was being released by the prosecution. I tried to get people to think about why the police would allow those people to stay outside the Anthony home day after day, night after night and say and do the horrible things they were doing and by not stopping it, encourage the national coverage of it. Just like the mob in front of the Anthony’s home I was jumped on and killed off of the boards. I never said I thought Casey was innocent. I never said anybody else did it. I just wanted to know why this case was being handled in the way it was and asked people to look at that fact. Something was wrong and it was very scary to me to see the psychology used by the state in the way it was. And sadly, it has worked for the most part.
It is imperative in this day and age, when our liberties are being stripped away at an alarming rate, for each of us to question and look closely at those who are in a position of “power” in our country on all levels. We must become rational thinking people and not allow ourselves to be LED by a mob mentality created by questionable actions of those who are in a power position. When our judicial participants are “trained” to look at themselves as “the good guys” and all of the rest of the population as the “bad guys” until we prove ourselves otherwise – we should be very wary. And YES, that is exactly how they are trained!
Think I’ve gone to deep here? Think I sound paranoid? You better take a good, hard look at what is happening. Too many of you are already blindly dancing to their song, led by created emotion and fear.
Beverly – please understand I am not signaling you out in a bad way. I am just pointing out that so many people in this case have come to the same zealous conclustions before this trial. I have read “facts not in evidence” quoted as FACT to prove she is guilty because someone read it in the paper or saw it discussed by “talking heads” on TV. Where did they get their info? from “sources close to the investigation”. There is a REASON normally closed mouth officials release this type of “information” prior to a trial. THAT is what I want people to look at and question.
Noni [32] Very well said!! That is why this site was started, to try to help people to come to their own conclusions and not be another anonymous sheep following the herd around. Too often (and it seems like it’s getting to be more the standard than the exception) do the common people let the media and those in position of power (who we elected and put in there, supposedly to work for us) make up their minds and tell them how to think. I guess it’s just easier to do that, than to think for yourself and risk actually being responsible for something. It’s easier being the sheep, being led to the slaughter, than it is to truly think for yourself and stand up.
Excellent post Noni…and the reason I found my self at Rosespeaks all those years ago..
The bullshit meter is going off on the stories coming out about this trial which is why I am watching reuters…and choosing the non blame stories to read….
The facts and legal documents….read em then make a decision..
Noni
That’s exactly the point I’ve been trying to make. I’ve said many times that I don’t know what happened to little Caylee. I honestly think it was accidental whatever happened. There has been so much put out in the media and it’s those “famous sources” that I am always talking about. Notice they are never named and always “close to the investigation” or “close to the family”? There have been things reported as fact in the media with this case but when the witnesses who it was about (casey and her momma) was quetioned NOTHING was ever brought up about it. For instance…. Casey wanted and abortion or she wanted to put Caylee up for adoption and Cindy wouldnt let her. Don’t you think if those stories were true that they would have asked Cindy and had her testify to those “facts”? Cindy and George BOTH testified as to how happy they were when they found out they were going to be grandparents and they went immedietely and bought furniture and all the stuff needed. Also they testifed that they didn’t know until Casey was already 7 months. Now, weather or not Casey knew she was pregnant is irrelevant. She would know at that point an abortion was out of the question so there wouldn’t have been a ‘discussion” between Casey and her mother about it. That was all bullshit
Whoo! Thank you Ken, heath & Roxanne! I almost didn’t post that for fear people would think it was too out of line but I believe it is SOOO important to point out what is happening in all areas of “our” government and what means they will go to in order to “screw you and make you think it is great”.
heath – that is what also brought me to this site!
in Rose Speaks! Will visit Reuters more often based on you comments.
Roxanne, I hear you & like I said I got “killed off” some websites when I tried to express my concerns. Nobody wanted to hear them – they would gladly have forgone a trial and just sentenced her to death.
Ken – I found, at this site, a place I look forward to coming to for the true facts and thinking people. I know you & Rose have had it rough (that sounds too simple doesn’t it?) trying to keep this site open and I admire you both for facing that opposition head on! You both deserve a medal!
Thankyou Noni…it was really nice to have it all written down.
Glad I found this reasonable website because I am not convinced that this was a premeditated murder. And I am troubled by the Judge himself apparently wanting to limit the defense in what seems to be a meaningful attack on the prosecutor’s evidence. Just the notion that the lawyers had to have expert witnesses write papers outlinging EVERYTHING they might say on the stand is ludicrous. It’s impossible to anticipate where examinations and cross examinations will go and things ought to run that way. The judge is not a scientist and frankly seems to be making rules up that will preclude the defendant from receiving a fair trial.
There is no doubt in my mind that if Ms. Anthony is convicted that so many “Itoisms” have popped up that already there are grounds for a retrial. For the judge not to chastize the prosecutor for not using the deposition route to find out those answers on his own, troubles me. That is the way the court system is set up and yet this judge is creating his own rules here that can only enable a guilty verdict to be found.
So when things get going again, I will post observations from time to time. I can understand people believing that this was an awful premeditated murder but I haven’t seen traceable evidence that shows that to be the factual basis of the charges. I think a legal theory was developed and scraps of information were made to fit that theory and I do believe the prosecutor knows he has a weak case from a scientific point of view and will do anything to prevent objective science to come before the jury.
That is sad for all of us because the death penalty is so final and can and has been administered by overly zealous folks who want to boost their own careers rather than seek justice. I don’t see the heavy duty homework that should have been done by the prosecutor for him to be absolutely sure his theory was true. I do see a man whose ego is on the line here and that just shoudn’t be.
So glad to find non-screaming people who do seem to be for the most part intellectually involved in the process itself. I do think though that the board created shrinks have to step back a bit and try to understand the entire family’s dynamics. If Casey is this evil person, how did she get there and where were her nurse mother and cop Dad when she was growing up? Somehow or other all the players under that roof were involved one way or another in this mess and to simply isolate Casey isn’t helping to get at the truth of things. She was a young woman who didn’t pop out of thn air and we would all be better off knowing much more than do about what her childhood was all about and what the values were that she was taught or simply witnessed.
Anyway, glad you are here.
Hi Helen, Glad you posted. I also feel as if this case is being sent down another track that is not going to answer the truth.. and the legal eagles on this are being very suspect.. do they get bonuses if they get a conviction???
All we can do is to get as much information and legal docs and READ them and make up our own minds…that is what this site has always been about.
I want to know why Mr. Baez is still dealing with the B—-ch when the trial is OVER!!!!!!! Is there something going on behind the so-called safety precautions like maybe other intentions on that lousey lawyer?