Rose speaks – Celebrity and High Profile Trials

OMG.OMG OMG.DR MURRAY DEFENSE——-MJ was in failing heath.Michael Jackson was in such a weakened state before he died,it is unfair to blame his death on Profocol.Dr Murray’s team will argue at the time of his death Jackson;s body was failing him,partly because he was driven over the edge by AEG to rehearse.The upshot of the defense is even if the jurors believe Murray administered the fatal dose,Jackson was already in failing health.,Dr Murray’s lawyers will argue Jackson himself administered the fatal dose when Murray left the room.NOW IN EVERYTHING THAT IS HOLY,what the hell are they saying,MY OPINION,they are saying Murray MURDERED Jackson.Nothing like your own Attorney’s hanging you.YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT A DOCTOR,who already knew Michael was in a bad physcial condition,who did not have equipment READY AND AVAILABLE FOR USE,and sure as hell did not seem to care.Dr Murray is a cardio doc.when you go to him,NO ONE IS IN EXCELLANT HEALTH.so if his pts were to die,O SAD TO BAD.It is not “Involuntary manslaughter”Murray own lawyers are saying Murray already knew Michael was in bad shape,yet night after night repeated the profocol..

I do wonder how Tru TV will carry Michael Jackson trial in April,and Casey Anthony trial in May.

Thanks Bev. All this spin as to murray’s innocence is something else isn’t it? I have read where murray was videoed with his patients surrounding him. Apparently it was on Headline News, so I can’t link it. The man just keeps seeking a photo op doesn’t he?

Here you go on the video for Dr M surrounded by his patients…
http://www.khou.com/news/Conrad-Murray-visits-Houston-patients-115386984.html

Thanks Beth for the video link. What a self serving article that was. The way I took it was murray was the only doctor available to those patients since they were so poor. The one woman was resigned to be a patient of his, but that was my impression only. Damn shame that that clinic has no other CARING doctor available to them. No wonder he hasn’t been sued for medical mal practice, these patients wouldn’t have a clue about lawyers and their practices.

Beverly, O I think Michael would have done all 50 concerts. If you figure it out, that would have been 2 concerts a week since the series was running from July to March. Mybe one or two would have been postponed but he would have completed it.

A bunch of information on Keith in this link >> http://current.com/keith-olbermann/

Good Morning—Well, I took part of last evening and this morning to read every article I could find on Dr Conrad Murray,and I found every article printed the “facts”differently.I will be glad to have this trial televised,to get the facts straight.I myself find it hard to digest,the defense theory that Michael injected himself with the profocol,remember Dr Murray gave Michael other meds as well,now while Michael did not fall asleep until he was given profocol,while Michael was under,those other meds worked on his body,I cannot see Michael alert enough to inject himself.For $150,000.00 a month,Dr Murray careless and UNPROFESSIONAL care of his supposed “friend” left his “friend” dead.I have noticed being on the internet,and I am not sure if I will word this the right way,but OQ who needed his name on all his ”kind deeds” and now Dr Murray showing his ”kind deeds” have one thing in common,My OPINION—Trying to mask a gulity conscience,to the public one face,in reality another face(greed)If whoever payed for Dr Murray payed for the right equipment along with anesthetist.that would be correct treatment,WHY was it not done the correct way,thus satisfying Michael and doing correct medical practice

Here’s a fact for ya….. Profanol has NO KNOW effectiveness on restful sleep. Meaning, it will put you to sleep but it’s not actual sleep like lying down in a bed at night and going to sleep. It is a chemical sleep that keeps a patient knocked out for surgery. It is usually given in small incerement doses during the surgery to keep the patient asleep the whole time. Otherwise the patient will wake up during surgery. That is the reason that a paralying drug is given at the beginning of the surgery….. incase the patient suddenly wakes up they will not be able to move there by hurting themselves or causing the surgeon to hurt them…….

16. I have had propofol before at the oral surgeon’s office and at the hospital for procedures to be done. I do not know if I have been given that during any of my surgeries. I think the benefit that Michael got out of it was that it knocked you out fast. There was no tossing or turning, no thoughts running through the head about all the details of life. One minute you are saying 100 and the next second to say ninety…….. and you are out.

After watching “This Is It” video many times, you see that Jackson was very involved in every aspect of the upcoming tour. How he wanted things to be filmed, seen and experienced was all done with his approval. He selected his band and dancers. I can’t imagine all that goes on behind the scenes that we did not see.

I believe that Jackson was scared to death of this concert series. Not because he wouldn’t complete it but how he would be received again after so many years and events that took place. I don’t believe that he knew how much he was adored by his fans all over the world. I think he also was worried about how his children would take the concert tour.

I too have had proprofol because of surgery and I speak from experience, that is nasty shit. my body went into shock and it took over a year to recover and I was 32 fit and healthy, I bounced back but it took time. Roxanne #16 is ABSOULTY correct!!!. Proprofol is not made to have a restful sleep. IMO the BS imo that MJ was murdered in opinion is bs. Who in their right mind would use that drug for sleep or administer that for sleep problems???… I think both are culpable blameworthy. Was MJ so far gone that he did not know what he was taking repeatedly to sleep?.. Was his trust put into Murray so deep that he allowed him to magically knock his ass out not knowing what was administered? I doubt not. Murray is facing imo what he should.

I think that MJ should not be dead and he had alot to offer but I think he is culpable in his own demise, Murray should pay for his actions.

All imo.

LIANN—-Michael was given by the Amighty a special gift(his talent).,I admire that talent,My nephew saw one of his shows,He has never stopped raving how much effort into choreography,special effects,singing,and how much he put into every show.I admire Michael as a person and my feeling’s are substantiated,by a Attorney who I respect and admire (Thomas Mesereau),From what I have been seeing,Michael was USED a lot,yes he was childlike,therefore USED,people will believe what they want,that is there right,but no one can excuse Dr Murray’s unprofessional,un ethical,and downright dangerous behavier as a physcian.What is sad is it appears people with money are treated a lot worse,,than people without,It turns my stomach to hear,”well if Dr Murray did not give him profocal,someone else would.,that is a LOUSEY excuse,IF Michael could not get it,what could he do about it.Put the blame on the person that would do anything for money.

Of course propofol is not made for a restful sleep as I have explained in previous posts. It is a drug that knocks one out fast. While you had a reaction to the drug, doesn’t mean that everyone experiences the same thing. I had no reaction to it other than going to sleep. And quite frankly, I don’t remember any dreams, nightmares or even turning over while under in influence of this drug. What did Michael feel? Who knows but apparently it worked for him. Is it the right way to fall asleep, nope.

I don’t know who is putting Michael on a pedestal or even considering him to be a saint, certainly not me. BUT I do know a lot was written about Jackson that was a lie. I do know that Sneddon has been accused of falsifing evidence against Jackson. I do know that if given the chance to put my molester in jail, I would have testified at a trial unlike JC. I do know that I have worked in the insurance industry and have witnessed how people will sue and commit insurance fraud to gain any money. I do know that I would have never named my new born child after the man who supposely molested my children. I could go on but I won’t.

From the time that Jackson was 4 or 5 years old, he was rehearsing or performing. I think many people would get f’ed up. But is he considered f’ed up because of the many surgeries? The eyeliner tatoo? The lips? Why do you consider him f’ed up?

I remember a Michael Jackson who got involved with a child who was dying of a strange disease that was unheard of in the United States. This disease terrified everyone because it certainly meant death to whomever contacted it. I remember seeing Jackson with this child, giving of himself and giving this child memories, that only Jackson could give. The child of course was Ryan White.

As far as murray, yes he murdered Jackson. Jackson has already paid the price for his choice, he can’t pay anymore than with his life. Did murray intentionaally murderer Jackson, nope but it was his actions that caused his death. If murray had not choosen to change his procedure that night, would Jackson still be alive? The mixture of drugs that murray administered that night/morning, compromised Jackson’s resporitory system before he even gave him the propofol. The oxygen tank that was in the room was empty. Do you realize that murray ordered over 4 gallons of propofol during those 8 weeks? That he lied to the pharmacy about the use of where it was going? That he was on the phone for 47 minutes while supposly taking care of Jackson and administering these drugs? Yes, imo, he murdered Jackson.

Just one more thing, what do you base your beliefs on concerning Jackson? Media reports? Media reports of the criminal trial?

4 gallons….. wow….. that, in my opinion, proves that MJ was being given repeated heavy doses. I don’t believe that Murray was “weening” MJ from the drug. I understand what you are saying DG about murder but I’m speaking of “BY LAW” the definition of murder doesn’t fit.

Elements to murder:
1.7. Elements of murder
In order to prove that you are guilty of violating California’s murder law, the prosecutor must prove the following three facts (otherwise known as “elements of the offense”):
1.that you committed an act that resulted in death to another person (or a fetus),
2.that you committed the act with malice aforethought, and
3.that you killed without lawful excuse or justification.15

4.3. Involuntary manslaughter
Prosecutors can charge you with Penal Code 192(b) PC California’s involuntary manslaughter law when you kill another person
1.without malice,
2.without an intent to kill, but
3.with conscious disregard for human life.45
Example: Defendant buys illegal drugs for himself and his girlfriend. After taking the drugs himself, he gives some to his girlfriend. She overdoes and dies. Because the defendant didn’t intend to kill his girlfriend…but arguably acted with a conscious disregard for human life by giving her dangerous illicit drugs…he could be liable for involuntary manslaughter.

The difference between involuntary manslaughter and killing someone by excusable accident is that with involuntary manslaughter, you are necessarily involved in either
1.an unlawful act (not amounting to a felony), or
2.a lawful act which involves a high degree of risk of death or great bodily injury (where you fail to act with the proper caution)

So while I get your feelings on the subject by the definition of the law in CA. he has been charged correctly.

Rox, oh I understand that they charged correctly. Or they charged murray with what they can prove is a better way to put it.

Let me run a scenio by you. We do not know if this happened or not but could it can the charges against murray?

We were told by murray ( ) that murray had been giving Jackson 50mg a a night of propofol for 6-7 weeks prior to his death. Two days prior to Jacksons death, murray decided that Jackson was becoming addicted to propofol and he decided to TRY to get Jackson to sleep using other drugs and lowering the dose of propofol. Now the morning of the 25th, Jackson is having a very hard time getting to “sleep” (used for lack of better word) as per murray he gave Jackson several drugs at different times to induce sleep. It was not working. Jackson was getting madder and madder, yelling at the doctor to get him to SLEEP. Now murray being as busy as he was on the phone calls, decided he would get Jackson to sleep if that is what he wanted to so bad, and gave an extreme amount of propofol to Jackson in anger. Would it then be murder?

But it couldn’t be proved either….

Do I think it happened that way…no. I don’t believe that he was giving Jackson propofol for 6-7 weeks. Where did 4 gallons of the stuff go? I was shocked when I heard how much of the drug had been ordered. How the hell did murray plan on getting the propofol while in England? Was he stocking it up? I think we are going to find out a lot more during the trial.

KEN—-Dr Murray knew from the beginning Michael wanted Profocol,I cannot see what is so hard to prove,When you wave $150,000,00 in front of a Doctor in need of a lot of cash,you see how fast he dropped his clinic pts,whom he loved so much,and was so concerned about.MALICE is very easy to prove,and a doctor who found the golden goose,so you please that golden goose,(malice)ill will,spite,criminal intent,The minute Dr Murray placed a IV in Michael’s arm.that was criminal intent,and ill will.Murray KNEW,what he was doing was wrong,but continued to do it anyway.Murray’s luck ran out on that june day,to me,if you are aware what you are doing,is not only dangerous,and you were not a trained anesthetist,did not have any equipment in case something went wrong,FROM THE BEGINNING,you murdered your pt.

28 DG
It’s iffy to me. I think if the intention was to kill him then yes that is murder. I think if he does it out of anger and without thinking of the consequenses then it’s manslaughter.

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BUT he didn’t commit #2…. so there goes the murder charge.

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Malice…..malice [?mæl?s]
n
1. the desire to do harm or mischief
2. evil intent
3. (Law) Law the state of mind with which an act is committed and from which the intent to do wrong may be inferred See also malice aforethought
[via Old French from Latin malitia, from malus evil]

As much as I don’t like his actions and think that he does need to be punished….. Murry didn’t act with Malice or Intent.

Because that is not the way our legal system works. It is a damn shame that even if found guilty, murray will do less prison time than what Stern faced if he had been convicted. The plus side, he will then lose his medical license in each state he practices in. Even with all of his supposed knowledge about PROPOFOL, he did not intend to kill Jackson. There are a lot of people counting on reasonable doubt regarding murray (at different sites) I can’t think of anything that would create reasonable doubt even if Jackson dosed himself during the two minutes murray claims he was out of the room(and I highly doubt that Jackson became so aware of his surroundings in those two minutes)

His concern was for money BUT that doesn’t mean he committed murder. It doesn’t mean he acted with malice. It doesn’t mean he acted with intent TO KILL.

ROXANNE——Conrad Murray is a physcian,as such he knew the danger in what he was attemping to do,he had full knowledge one wrong move and Michael would be dead.Knowing this and doing NOTHING to protect his pt,is murder in my eyes,

Diamondgirl—-Roxanne—-Thank you very much for your debate,I cannot change my opinion.The minute Dr Murray gave his first IV of “profocol” to Michael.without the proper equipment and assistance,and with FULL KNOWLEDGE he did not have the license.knowledge was not qualified, he committed Murder not “Involuntary Manslaughter”Dr Conrad Murray had NO RIGHT to to administer Profocol especialy in a home setting,or any other setting.

If propofol was a controlled drug, I wonder if things would be different. I agree he knew the dangers and then proceeded anyway.

Nor is he a pharmacist. Did he know about mixing the drugs that supressed Michael’s respirtory system and what it could do?

The man wasn’t an addiction specialist either. IF the last time Jackson used the propofol was during the last concert series, we are talking years ago. Would the 4 freaking gallons that this man injected into Jackson make him the addict he claimed Jackson was?

The man disrearded everything that he knew, it didn’t matter. Now Jackson is dead and the defense will paint Jackson as an addict begging for a drug from this so called doctor so that he could get some sleep according to his defination of sleep.

I can’t consider Jackson as a propofol addict when he first requested that this be used. I very well could be wrong but to me an addict is using the drug all the time. Was he a recovering addict, more than likely to pain meds. Even Jackson admitted it. But even if he was addicted to propofol, murray gave Jackson 4 gallons of propofol in 6-7 weeks time. He was the pusher. Then decided that Jackson was becoming addicted to the stuff wtf did he think would happen? The foolish man.

But it boils down to the law and what can be proved during the trial. There are many who tend to think that Jackson was guilty of the crimes he was accused of and in some way deserves to die for those crimes. The hate for Jackson is very evident in the US but he also has many fans world wide who believed in him. Either way, the man didn’t deserve to die under those circumstances. He made his choice and he has paid for his choice with his life. Those that are left behind are hurting still for the loss of their father, brother, nephew and son. It is time that the other person responsible for Jackson’s death also pay the price that the law allows.

LOL…..

Haha…. who me? Sarcastic? No way!!!

Beverly, I agree with most of what you say but propofol is NOT a controlled drug. Apparently in some states there are no requirements as to who administers it. And to make matters worse, murray is supposely a certified surgeon in Texas (I believe). He should have known all the dangers and the requiremnets of the medical equipment that was to be on hand, if the AEG unsigned contract is right(to be supplied in England), then he did know. And for some unknown reason he ($$$$) administered the drugs without it in CA.

Pretending to be a doctor is one thing, being a doctor is another. That is not comparing apples to apples. He did not have to be certified to use or order propofol in the state of CA.

How I wish that the state could prove murder, but they can’t. He did not intend for Michael to die. murray has no morals or ethics, imo.

Diamomdgirl–I am finding Hollywood and Cal are so screwed up,no wonder no one can charge a person for the right crime.Believe me, 23 felonies against Dr Kappor Howard and Dr E and only Involuntary Manslaughter against Dr Murray.I would love to know why the jury is not beng given the right for first degree murder.2th degree murder,or involuntary Manslaughter.

http://www.law.com/jsp/tx/PubArticleTX.jsp?id=1202479658686&slreturn=1&hbxlogin=1

Houston Meets Hollywood: Ed Chernoff Prepares for High-Stakes Defense of Dr. Conrad Murray

Miriam Rozen, Texas Lawyer, January 31, 2011

[13th or 14th paragraph down...]

“Chernoff says in December 2009 he interviewed about a dozen lawyers but decided on J. Michael Flanagan, a partner in Glendale, Calif.’s Flanagan, Unger & Grover. Chernoff says he chose Flanagan because Flanagan successfully defended two California nurses charged with involuntary manslaughter for allegedly administering Propofol to a patient who died.”

Bev, you are being told why. The DA cannot prove malice or intent to kill without a reasonable doubt. Look at what is happening now….not at this site but at others…. posters are acting in a way that Michael deserved to die because they absolutely KNOW that Michael molested children. One poster thinks just about all drug addicts deserve to die.

I have read where someone believes that Jackson swallowed enough of the propofol to have created the overdose although there was a trace amount found in the stomach. This is just nuts.

I will now wait for the trial to begin

I do not know what the dentist did or if he is more that an normal dentist. But at the age of 6 years old to sit for two hours while any drilling or anything going on like that, I would tend to agree with Jackson. I can’t think of any 6 year old staying still for that length of time and again it was the anesthesiologist that supposely gave Blanket the drug. I believe that propofol is a safe drug when used by trained personal.

ROXANNE—When I was in Maryland doing my training,the woman doctor I was friends with was doing her internship to become a anesthetist.many many long hours and a lot of hard work.she was already a psychiatrist.I cannot account for Cal and what they are doing,Dr Murray it appears WAS NOT qualified.to use propofol,or trained in it’s use,therefore plain and simple,he took it upon himself,for money,to do something illegal and he knew it,otherwise why hide bottles of the med,and why ,when it was so important did he not mention what he gave Michael to the EMT’S.I cannot wait for this trial to begin

Who is believing that murray was there to help his friend?

It was not ILLEGAL for murray to use propofol. There is a difference between unethical and illlegal. What became criminal is the fact that murray administered the drugs in a home setting, without proper equipment being available and his patient died while doing this.

We don’t know if those other doctors were ignored or if the DEA is waiting for the homcide trial to be over. But I tend to think these other doctors have records and can prove that the drugs issued were for pain control prior to 2006 and were intended for Jackson’s use or used during a procedure. Let’s not forget that the DA has lost a case that they had no reason to bring against Kapoor, Stern or Dr E. Let’s also remember that I believe it was the CONTROLLED susbstance of CH that had contributed to Stern and Dr E being found guilty in two charges. I really wish that the DEA could release what they found on Klein and other doctors that issued meds to Jackson, it would be interesting to see maybe the truth. But let me also say that I wouldn;’t believe a freaking thing klein had to say. He showed his colors after Jackson died by even implying that those children might be his bio children, the sleezebag.

I don’t know what happened to part of that post. I guess I edited more than I thought……

He had 2 procedures at the “kid” dentist. One was with nitrous the other was with “twilight sleep” when the procedure took longer.

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Bev
It wasn’t illegal in the State of Ca. for Murray to use the profanol. Was it dangerous because he didn’t have proper monitoring or rescue equipment? YES! Does he deserve to be prosecuted and have his liciense revolked? YES! Did he intent to harm MJ? NO! Did he act with malice (ANGER)? NO! Did he know that MJ had gone into cardiac arrest because of a overdose of Profanol or because it had reacted with the other medications? YES! Does the fact that he hid the bottles and didn’t tell the EMT’s about the Profanol and refused to allow CPR efforts to cease and MJ be pronounced dead show malice or intent? NO! It show’s that he was scared to death because he knew he had been careless and was responsible. BUT it wasn’t his INTENTION when he administered the drugs to kill or harm MJ. THAT is the deal breaker for murder. There was simply NO MALICE AND NO INTENT.

I am not sure but it was a controlled drug that they were found guilty of.

71. We will agree to disagree on this one. Propofol is used during the dreaded Colonoscopy by some doctors. Mine used it and I did not have to be intubated at all. I was monitored and had oxygen on. But the entire deal took 30 minutes, recovery made it a total of one hour.

Thanks Beth…..

Well some funny things happening with the lawyers for murray.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/02/14/conrad.murray.lawyer/#

Los Angeles (CNN) — Dr. Conrad Murray, whose involuntary manslaughter trial starts next month, has hired a new lawyer for his legal team.

Los Angeles lawyer Nareg Gourjian will assist lawyers Ed Chernoff and J. Michael Flanagan in defending Murray, who is charged in pop star Michael Jackson’s death.

A document filed in Los Angeles County Superior Court on Monday said Gourjian is replacing Joseph Low, who is leaving the Murray defense team.

What this article does NOT say is that this same lawyer was in the Geragos firm when he represented MJ during the criminal trial and was actually one of the lawyers who defended MJ!!

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2011/02/exclusive-dr-conrad-murrays-new-attorney-could-present-conflict-interest

Mark is concerned about the conflict of interest because Nareg worked on Michael’s molestation defense,” the source told RadarOnline.com.

“Nareg was privy to details about Michael Jackson’s life that were never made public.

“This is very, very bothersome to Geragos.

“Mark is considering filing paperwork with Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Michael E. Pastor stating he believes there is an obvious conflict of interest.

And it seems that these defense lawyers had already approached Geragos himself but he turned down the offer.
http://www.duiattorney.com/news/5295-michael-jacksons-doctor-conrad-murrary-approached-mark-geragos
According to a story on Eonline, Michael Jackson’s personal physician, Dr. Conrad Murray approached the well known celebrity criminal defense lawyer. According to the report, Geragos turned down the request to represent the doctor, presumably because of a real or potential conflict of interest.

Mr. Geragos represented Mr. Jackson during his 2004 child molestation trial. Despite the novel issues that could come along with representing Murray, there is, according to Geragos, a definite potential that a defense would involve smearing Michael Jackson, or disclosing information that may be sensitive or confidential.

Wow, not only is murray unethical but so his lawyers may be also!

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I tend to agree with that last paragraph. If there is a case and a lawyer can make money from it then they will sue and they will take it on contingency. Dr.s have insurance to cover them in lawsuits.

O/T > re: ANS Opera

“February 16, 2011 10:04 AM EST
LONDON (AP) — It’s a rags-to-riches story complete with sex, drugs, vast wealth and family tragedy.

The latest production from Britain’s Royal Opera is based on the short but sensational life of Playboy playmate turned tabloid superstar Anna Nicole Smith, who died aged 39 in 2007.

The company bills the opera as “a celebrity story of our times.” But it has raised a few eyebrows with its warning that the show contains sex, drugs and “extreme language.”

“Anna Nicole” has music by composer Mark-Anthony Turnage and libretto by Richard Thomas, who co-created “Jerry Springer: The Opera.”

Dutch soprano Eva-Maria Westbroek plays Smith.

Only six performances are planned between Thursday and March 4 — and all are sold out.”
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“In this undated photo released by Britain’s Royal Opera House Wednesday Feb. 16 2001, Dutch soprano Eva-Maria Westbroek is seen as Anna Nicole in the title role of the Royal Opera House’s production of the same name. Britain’s venerable Royal Opera raised some eyebrows when it announced that its next production would be based on the short but sensational life of Playboy model turned tabloid superstar Anna Nicole Smith. “Anna Nicole” comes with an impeccably high-art cast and crew _ and a warning of “extreme language, drug abuse and sexual content.”

http://www.roh.org.uk/ >> If you get a chance check out the pic of the person playing ANS here and there is a link to the right I think…

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* Rose, hope you are feeling better dear!
Have you and Ken read this story? > (SPROCKET is covering it)

Wednesday, February 16, 2011 > http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/2011/02/stephanie-lazarus-pretrial-hearing-1.html
“The Stephanie Lazarus case will have a jury seated some time late spring or early summer of this year.”

> It might be an interesting case to cover… http://articles.latimes.com/2010/mar/12/local/la-me-detective13-2010mar13

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[76] NP, Miss DiamondGirl!

Good Grief! Sorrryyyy!
I had this page in my favorites and did not see the front page of the blog…
Scratch the part in [82], It is the first article of the blog!
Just saw that now, my bad!

TMZ—-MJ—On the hunt for the perfect Anesthesiologist—–Jackson who had a well documented “Propofol” addiction for years before his death,tried recuiting Dr David Adams.a Las Vegas anesthesiologist.to go on the “This is it ” tour. We learned Dr Adams told LAPD investigators that several months before MJ tour Dr Conrad Murray and MJ met with Dr Adams and said “We think it would be great to have Anesthesiologist go on the ‘This is it tour.Dr Adams thought about it and texted Murray “I liked to be on board,let’s talk about it,but MJ and Dr Murray never contacted him again.Now I would love to know what happen.Did Dr Murray decide,he wanted all the money for helping Michael,therefore putting Michael in danger.Dr Murray KNEW a anesthesiologist was needed,as he was not qualified.Weather Propofol can be obtained legally by Dr Murray,the question is ,”was Dr Murray qualified to administer the Propofol,Was this a GREEDY Dr putting Michael’s life second,and money first .then to me there sure as hell MALICE.

ROXANNE——-Circles but eventually the truth

Diamondgirl—-You say that you do not have to be qualified or licensed in CAL to use propofol,yet Dr Murray tried to hide the propofol bottles,did not inform the EMT’S of it’s use,and is going around playing ‘kiss everyone’s butt it does not compute.and right away lawyered up.Dr Murray actions are one of a man who has a lot to hide

Beverly… yes he has a lot to hide. IMO, he did kill Jackson and he knew it when all of those things happened after he just found Jackson dead. He lied about the propofol when he ordered it from the pharmacy. At first murray had it shipped to his Vegas office. When it arrived, the propofol order was returned to the pharmacy office and then shipped out to CA to what murray claimed was his new office and he informed the pharmacy people that the propofol woukd be under his control.

Beverly and Diamondgirl, very interesting dialogue.As for Dr David Adams ,is he not a dentist?.Treated MJ in Las Vegas sometime in the past. Has a laswyer to to state that he never met with Murray to demonstrate Propofol use.-I would so much like murray to be found guilty of murder second degree.There is the
letter of law and the spirit of law, drugs controlled by the DEA and deadly drugs not controlled at all, malice of heart, coldness and indifference ,greed above all else. What will matter is the letter of law (at least THAT, one hopes).-Great that attn. Mark Gegaros is objecting to Nareg Gourjian being on the defence team for murray.Not to take this complaint seriously would be against the letter of law, I would think.- Saw that clip of murrays “thankful patients”.
Do they always come to his office by the dozens? Does he not give appt. times? Sure they all had Medicare.
Saw a program on anhtropology recently.Among other things on that program, it stated that statistically men who have killed or murdered had more women and children than men who have not killed.Well, every case should be investigated on it´s own terms and not ” profiling”, it was just a surprising finding.
-In the prelim.s the defence kept obsessing about the propofol in MJ`s stomach.It was 0.13 mg in 70 grams of liquid.The amount of 0.13 mg is miniscule,that
should be demonstated to the jury to avoid wasting time on this issue.

Thank you for the info DiamondGirl.Vaguelyu remembered something about a dentist from an old post on another blog.

You know Kaarin, I had wondered how murray would have benefitted from not declaring MJ dead. That thought never came to me at all. I believe even if an autopsy was not done by the county coroner, Katherine and others would have had their own autopsy done. I had looked it up one time and what I had found was that if Murray had pronounced Jackson dead since he was the personal doctor, then the county would not have done an autopsy. Either way this propofol and the drug mixture would have been found out.

Serioulsy???? You think that the profanol wouldn’t have been found out at autopsy???? Seems far reaching to me.

He hid the stuff because he knew he screwed up. He knew he was in trouble. He wasn’t thinking clearly at that point as evidenced by trying to “hide” it all. The thought of showing on autopsy seems to have NEVER crossed his mind at that point. (Hide the shit and they will never know???) I don’t think so.

> Someone sure has her nose twisted out of place!
I have a feeling when MJ’s three kids came to live at Kathrines either her children or her had to take the back seat and she did not like that, or maybe she was miffed she wasn’t asked to be on the Oprah special at Kathrines that just had Joe, Kathrine and the kids on? I believe she is going to regret her money making moves, there is no turning back now. It is a shame as it will be her kids that suffer. What a mom! Just sickening to me…

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Jermaine’s Ex Shopping Jackson Reality Show
2/18/2011 2:54 PM PST by TMZ Staff

“Alejandra Jackson — baby mama to Jermaine and Randy — still refuses to move out of the Jackson family compound … but she is ready to spill family’s secrets on a new reality show … for the right price.

Sources close to Alejandra tell us she’s in talks with several producing partners to star in a reality show along with her children. As we previously reported, she’s also working on a tell-all book — and we’re told she’s currently looking for a writer.

TMZ broke the story … last month the Michael Jackson estate asked a judge to remove Alejandra and her kids — Jaafar, Jermajesty, Genevieve, Donte and Randy Jr. — from the home.

That came after Alejandra turned down Katherine’s request to leave the house so it could be renovated. Katherine offered Alejandra a condo if she signed a confidentiality agreement — but Alejandra refused. Confidentiality agreements and tell-all books don’t go well together.

We’re told Alejandra feels she needs to make money — from the reality show and the book — because the fathers of her children are behind on support payments. For instance, Jermaine owes Alejandra almost $100,000 in back child support.

A hearing on whether Alejandra has to leave the house is set for March 15.”

Oh boy do I have an opinion of this person. She bedded not only one of the Jackson brothers but two, moved in with Katherine with her herd and now refuses to undersand that the estate will not pay for her ass or herd to live in that house. Katherine has to get them out. One of her children was a part of that phaser fiasco last year. Her and the herd flew over to Japan, the locks should have been changed and the doors boarded up. For the life of me I can’t understand how Jermaine owes so much in back support to her when she didn’t even support those kids. I understand Jermaines wife has $$$$ but refuses to help out with his child support.

I believe if she tries to use Michael’s name in anything she writes, the estate will be on her like white on rice.

Diamondgirl–As I was reading your #100 comment,I will say,that even if Dr Murray pronounced Michael dead,and was his personal physcian,there still would have to be a autopsy.because he died under mysterious circumstances.preparing for a concert and then dying.

murray was the attending-personal doctor of Michael. He could have said anything at all BUT the family would wanted to know for certain considering if what all have said (Michael believed he was going to be killed) is the truth. I am just saying that as per CA rules, there might not have been an autopsy ordered. Right now we do not know how the autopsy got ordered, maybe when the family was asked they said yes…. Maybe they would have done one because it was Michael Jackson, I don’t know. It would have been found out about the propofol one way or another. The first reports out what that Michael had a heart attack.

The offical time of death is like 2:26pm instead of 12:10 PM, when Michael was supposely found unresponsive. The emt’s that responded to the call believe that Michael had been dead for more than an hour already since he was cool to the touch. All reports stated that the room where Jackson was found in, was very hot since Michael had been complaining that he was cold.

Diamondgirl—-Lord knows Cal is something else.but no matter what state,there has to be a “cause of death” on the death certificate.This goes for anyone.On TMZ this morning they wrote Michael Jackson kids,said Dr Murray was a good Dr and there father would never die of a heart attack,well he didn’t,he died of propofol ordered and given by Dr Murray.A autopsy is a given if a person dies at home,unless that person is 100 years old attending physcian or not,or a person with a problem like Cancer,and then they still do a autopsy to find out the actual cause of death .In fact,I am even more sick to my stomach after reading this morning article on TMZ,and I see more and more Dr Murray was using Michael,for money,What kind of Dr befriends a person,and yet cares so little he treats Michael,with so little respect,as to not insure every safe precaution is in place.I would not want that man near anyone I know

Diamondgirl—-You made a statement of a young girl that died at home,and left me up in the air,What was the reason she died,even a suicide they would have to find the cause of death.My father died of Cancer,and they wanted to see how many organs were affected,so they did a autopsy

me neither Bev about the cardio meds.

We do not know why she died, so I can’t answer you. My son was no longer close to her or her family.

Either way his butt would have been fried.

Murray refused to pronounce death at the resicence because then the residence would have been cordoned off and investigated. Murray woud not have avoided autopsy or toxicology this way.-A supposedlly healthy 50 yo man drops dead just before noon on 6/25 2009! Could be accident, sucide or homicide,natural death.A suspicious death.His refusal to do so gave him other advantages as well.The offical time of death is hrs later than the real death and the place of death
is the hospital and not the residence. Only murray coud feel the weaK pulse, now also that has been changerd to “thready pulse”Murray had high hopes of returning to the residence once death had been pronounced at hospital, even asked for a lift!-He may ofcourse have had false hopes that the propofol somehow would disappear with a bit of time.He hoped for more time to tidy up is my opinion.
A paramedic or fireman could shed some light on this kind of proceedures.

See link in 113. The attending physician=murray, could have called TOD and listed any reason he felt like it. That would have not stopped a autopsy from being performed by someone. Not all unexplained deaths are autopsied, sorry had some friends who died who were not autopsied. Some young, some older died and did not have an autopsy done. But again, there would have been an autopsy done on Michael one way or another, so arguing this point is fruitless. I know what I have personally experienced.

But I do agree with why murray didn’t call a time of death. It all benefitted him in a small way.

Well,there are several things that are sticking out at me,and I have to question,As Michael chose Dr Murray as his physcian to help him through his tour,Dr Murray ,who specializes in cardiology,I have to wonder,the rehearsal’s are long and strenuous and I do not believe for one minute michael was up to par,physically,and all that was noted for meds was anti-anxiety and sleep med.Again I am going to question “where was Dr Murray’s mind and his professional know how,I did not read of any vitamin supplement,or B/12 or any Cardiac med being given.B/12 is a given,especially in what Michael was doing.I do not inderstand Murray logic either.You can bet Michael skipped many a meal,yet Murray,seemed unconcerned,WHY just drugs,?

Beverly, I did wonder about Michaels diet of very “healthy” food.A person in tough physical training does need a sufficienyt calorie intake.Athletes tank up on carbohydrates a day or so before competitions or strenuos training.The body stores this as glycogen in the liver.They don´t compete with a full stomach.
DiamondGirl-I understand that rules re autopsies varies between countries and probably states in the US.What murray avoided was the cordoning off of a potential crime scene or scene of accident.His very first “idea” was to say that Michael had “a reaction”, trying to implicate an allergic reaction.
Once the police got to the scene it had been visited by a number of persons.

Good Morning,Well, after reading Michael Jackson’s autopsy,which in part stated he was severely emaciated,and he was eating only one meal a day,It appears to me that the Doctor,Nurse,and the cook,FAILED.Maybe at trial they will explain why no vitamins or supplements because none are listed.Also listed,Chronic Lung Inflammation, Respiratory Bronchiolits,diffuse Congestion.Knowing these factors,Dr Murray,a cardiac specialist took upon himself to administer “Propofol” without proper equipment,Now if I was to make a guess,and I am only spectulating,it would be Dr Murray talked Michael into being the only one Michael needed.You know,no sharing money,watched anesthesia being given,and told Michael he could do it,You know GREED.he did not have to share the money.I do not know what the law calls it,but I call it” aforethought”Weighing all the problems that could and did arise,but went ahead anyway.

No embalming needed here if the person is cremated.

It hurts when someone you know and loved dies without any cause of death being found out. But it had to hurt more just “knowing” what happened and peoples hands were tied.

Bev, we know it was the dollars and his groin that he thought about. That is why his patient is dead now.

Here, cremation has to happen within 24 hours I believe. Even if the ashes are buried they have to be placed in a cement vault.

Tomorrow the judge may decide if the new lawyer will or will not be allowed to join murrays defense team.

hanks for the papers. It does leave more questins about the “This Is It ” concert series and how good was Frank for Michael.

http://www.tmz.com/2011/02/24/michael-jackson-good-morning-america-prince-blanket-paris/

Nice little piece with the children of Michael.

DEAR BETH—-Thank you so very much.She has a little of Daddy starting to show,and Larry is starting to get the worried look off his face,He looks like a very happy daddy Lord,when I think what he went through to get his child,it almost seem like a dream that never happened.The one thing Dannielynn will always know,no matter what people say,Daddy fought hard for his little girl,Daddy always loved her and wanted her,That will mean a lot the older she gets

nope

KEN—–The DA can find 23 charges on Dr Kapoor.Dr E and Howard,and they cannot find only ONE way to charge Dr Murray,please.Something smelled from the beginning of this case,why not three charges and let the jury decide.BY the way,how does anyone know,what was in Dr Murray’s mind,many a person has died at the hands of a ”FRIEND”can the DA prove what was in Dr Murray’s mind,or is it only Murray saying they were friends,and Michael wanted him,they sure charged Howard with everything under the sun,and Howard was depending on Anna for his financial welfare,so if Murray would not harm Michael why would Howard.harm Anna.?The state of Cal has gotten me so angry,my blood pressure is over the limit.I am also angry at the opening of a store selling marijuana items,anyone can buy.Will nickname Cal the HOP-HEAD city of the world,and please do not say it will not harm anyone,I HAVE BEEN ON THIS BATTLE FOR45 TO 50 YEARS.

Diamondgirl———-Well I want to see how many that used there name on Michael’s prescrip bottles will be charged,none so far.and in Cal the marijuana store with all item is for all,not only the sick,anyone can buy what they want.I do not care if Cal does not find Propofol ,a controlled med,I care about NO ASSISTANT NO EQUIPMENT, and most of all NO LICENSE TO GIVE AT HOME OR ANYWHERE no one knows Murray’s thoughts.Can you answer the question,why did he on purpose leave out the fact Propofol was given to michael to the EMT’S,if Murray’s actions were on the up and up,and he was allowed to administer Propofol,at home,with no equipment or assistant what was all the hiding about.He had knowledge his actions could cause death,And if he is trying to blame Michael,if the med was not in the house Michael could not use it,Dr Murray brought the med to the House,and for the slimeball he is ,Propofol was delivered to his girlfriends house,WHY?if he was allowed to administer Propofol,why not deliver the med to his office or Michael’s home.The rat even used his girlfriend.

KEN—–You are trying to rationalize.Well alcohol,and tobacco are legal so why not legalize good old pot.If you are trying to make there case for them you will never win with me.I have seen to many pot heads very,very young pot heads,who think they are hurting no one,whats a little pot,We already have kids sneaking pot at the skate part,fighting,skipping school.telling there parents were to get off and why stop at pot.hell go for the more powerful stuff,Maybe kids can light up between classes,and maybe you can get on a bus or train the next time the driver lit up before comming to work,or is lighting up while driving.I would just love riding down the turnpike at 66 or 70 miles a hour with a driver that is or has smoked pot,I would prefer young brains,functional,and old brains working as well.

I don’t want to appear like I am defending weed, I don’t use it, I tried it many years ago got a major headache and haven’t tried it again since but I cannot find the fault with it, if it helps people with the pain that they suffer from. What makes it so different from the CH that Anna swallowed? Or the morphine that a person takes for their pain?

The drunk driver has affected me more in my lifetime than anyone smoking weed has. And that is the truth to the matter.

Bev
Legal def of malice is different from your definition of malice. You could also say that another person is responsible for the drowning death of a friend because, even though both people went in right after eating, one person knew the dangers of doing so and the other didn’t but went anyway and the other person drowned so he was malice in letting his friend swim so soon after eating, resulting in the friends death.

Bev, you have made your point of view pretty much known and no matter what is posted, you will stick to what you feel. Whether you or I like it or not, the DA cannot not prove murder in the first or second degree to 12 jurors. The DA wants a conviction. It is that simple. Have you been reading other boards on this subject? There are people out in the world that believe that Jackson deserved to die because they KNOW that Jackson molested children.

The defense supposely now has an “expert” who will testify that Michael was addicted to demoral and will state under oath that this is what killed Jackson and not all that propofol that murray gave him.

I know I will never go to see murray as a doctor because he sucks at that job. We all put our faith in our doctors that we choose. I want to see the man convicted of involuntary manslaughter. It really is that simple.

PS—Ir would be a shame to take Michael apart again,and that is what the defense is going to do,retry Michael all over again,This trial is about Dr Murray and his actions,and the DA better get on the ball,no wonder OJ was found not guilty,and Diamondgirl,I feel the DA offfice had there butts frosted when Michael was found NOT GUILTY,and are now doing a half azz job of trying to convict the Doctor.In otherwords,I find it a lame excuse,that they could not get a conviction on Murder,and again I will ask.WHY NOT GIVE THREE OPTIONS AND LET THE JURY DECIDE.iI feel the DA office is doing a halfazz job as payback for losing there molestation case.

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Ok let’s make this guy a swim coach….. what’s the difference?

ROXANNE—–So he is a swim coach,he is NOT A MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL and a MD and your coach DID NOT SUPPLY ANY DRUG OR SET UP A IV.