All Things Michael Jackson – How do you Want the Paperwork and Articles to go???
Posted by Rose in Arnie Klein, Beverly Hills, Celebrity Trials, Chernoff & Alford, Dr. Arnold Klein, Dr. Conrad Murray, Dr. Conrad Murray, Edward M. Chernoff, High Proflie Trials, Hollyweird Criminal Justice, Hollywood, Hollywood Criminal Justice, Judge Michael Pastor, Michael Jackson, Michael Jackson Will, Michael Jackson's EstateI have been pulling records on four cases involving Michael Jackson, the Estate Special Administrators, Rip-offs by people posing as agents for others etc. This does not even include the two wrongful death suits, the Harris County Texas suit or the Probate matters.
So how do you want me to do this with the ever mounting mountains of papers? Want me to just get them up all together and then do articles? Want me to do them one at a time and try to have them all up by the end of the week. Like one today and one tomorrow and etc., or how is going to be the best for all of you?
Be sure and visit the community discussion forums that were created and are being run by Diamond Girl. Once the papers are sorted and put up, I think I will join in the discussions there with her as well as any of you that has been keeping up with all of this so I can be enlighten as to what is what in these multiple lawsuits as well as who is who.
Let me know today how you want this done and we will get it ready to go.
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Another site has closed down any discussion about the Jackson death, Murray trial and all things that surround Michael Jackson and his family. They have also erased a lot of links when they deleted the Michael Jackson forum. It is almost impossible to have just one topic of Jackson because so much surrounds the man, his death and his life.
We have the doctors who were all involved with Jackson like Klein who has now filed for bankruptcy for millions of dollars owed. Kinda makes a little more sense at his attempt to charge the estate thousands upon thousands for work that can’t even be proved was done.
You also have the different medical boards and their licenses, there is so much and we will be getted started with Jury selection soon.
Rose/Ken…. am email is on it’s way….
#1 DG yes the bankruptcy is the 4th federal case I am pulling papers on…. it is almost over whelming at the number of lawsuits, and sadly I got way behind on the paperwork on all of these.
Rose we have to follow the Murray case but I think we can keep an eye on the estate stuff but no need to go to far into it..
But I saw on TMZ that arnie klein went bankrupt. The tame dermatologist… he needs a good looking into I think. He was Debbie Rowes employer.
The medical board stuff against Murray. I hope they throw the book at him.
To DiamondGirl:
If you are talking about InSessions closing the Murray forum down, it was to be expected. The moderator does it often to save herself from having to actually moderate. When the trial starts, maybe we can all move over here.
I met something
The DA didn’t go after any murder charge because they were afraid that they couldn’t prove and get a conviction, well at least that is what is being said. This was basd on the fact that Michael was reportly a drug addict. IMO, it should have ben at least 2nd degree murder.
Yes, I was speaking of In Sessions. I know there are several posters there that like to see the forum shut down when the talk begins about Murray and his lack of abilities. Some of these posters attack the poster and not the post. Or the criminal trial against MJ is brought into play. Like in someway Jackson got what he deserved because he was accused of molesting a child. I know there are some here that still believe that he did. I am one that does not believe it. IMO, there are to many things that do not add up for me.
As far as Klein, he is a sleezebag,IMO. I remember after Jackson was killed, Klein put up on his own web page all this chit about Jackson. Who can forget that bill that he sent to the estate to be paid for close to $50,000 for services, he claims were rendered. The interviews he gave any and all and the little insinuation that he was the children’s bio father. Strange how he reminded me of all the “friends” Anna had that used her during her life and after her death.
Just a note that on Feb 7, there is some court happening in the Murray case also. Pre trial procedures items to be discussed. At that time, the Judge will decide if cameras will be allowed into the court.
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Bev
I don’t think it was Murder. Murder is intentional. I think Murry accidentally gave him to much. By that I mean that either he miscalculated or forgot he gave something or was just plain stupid but I don’t believe he thought to himself that he would kill MJ. The fact that he hide the stuff AFTER and the fact that he REFUSED to pronounce MJ dead, in my opinion proves that it wasn’t intentional. BY LAW Murder has to be intentional. It doesn’t have to be premeditated but it does have to be intended.
DG
I don’t believe MJ ever hurt a child in any way.
Roxanne—–”Murder is intentional” That is where I am having a problem in my mind,if you take on a job,and Murray being a Doctor,took on the care of Michael,especially,when ”Profocol”was a very dangerous drug,repeating giving this med to Michael,over and over without proper equipment,walking out of the roomThis one is hard,If he had equipment,did everything to protect Michael durning the procedure,and Michael died,then I would say “Involuntary Manslaughter”Because Murray repeated this act over and over without proper equipment,he was taking a change,and did nothing to correct this problem,NO PROFOCOL,till all safeguards were in place,Murray did nothing to prevent this death from happening.I am glad I am not on the jury.
Roxanne… there is so much that has come out regarding Murray and his actions or lack of them. I will agree there was no malice in what murray did but oh my lord all of the rest does not add up. I can understand if he panicked but he wasn’t paying attention to his patient during this period either.
I think the first reaction is to try to hide from the wrong doing you have done but geesh, the man continues to this day to play to the media like he is some sort of celebrity, when what he did was to kill Jackson. How many were convinced about the mans innocence when he made up a you tube video? How about when he tried to visit Jackson at the cementary and posed for a camera crew( I believe it would have been Jackson’s 50th birthday)? How about the video when he returned to work?
We recently have one of him saying that “He loves Katherine Jackson as his own mother” 
IMO, the man has no ethics or morals. I have wondered why he refused to allow time of death called on Jackson several times. I do not know if he was aware of the fact that if he would have called time of death, then an autopsy possibly would not have been ordered by the CA court because he was the attending doctor. (The family would have still had one done though) I have not looked to see the different laws regarding this between Nevada, CA and Texas. I think it was rather callous that when he was riding in the ambulance with a dead Jackson, he was on his phones talking to the latest mistress.
IMO, the man should own up to what he did, pay the piper and let Jackson’s children and family heal. But he won’t.
That’s another problem,”Murray did not think” or was thinking of HIS financial problems.There was a life,a very talented life,he had in his hands,It appears to me his pt was not his principal concern.
I think Murray was and is arrogant…
I bet he did the same routine with Michael a few times with no problems or any he saw.. and made phone calls etc whilst Michael was asleep. The last time something went wrong or he didn’t pay attention to amounts or whatever.
But he was a Doctor and he has a higher level of responsibility than a lay person when using medicines.. A Duty of Care which is why I feel it was murder.
This man was irresponsible and it caused a death which was preventable. He killed Michael it is that simple and that sad.
Good Morning,Ribbie Jackson was on the “View “show yesterday,She was very careful not to say murder,but with her eyes she said it all.Dr Murray is playing to the media,The thing Murray does not understand,he can play I love the world,give gifts to kids,say he loves Mrs Jackson,(WHO CARES).It is what he did as a medical professional that counts,Michael Jackson’s life,a life that mattered.Murray’s lack of responsibility to a man who was paying a dear price for incompetence.To me incompetence does not equal “Involuntary Manslaughter”To me,this trial will hinge on What Dr Murray did not do,and there is to much of what he did not do,a med student would know better.Weather Michael was addicted to drugs, to me does not matter,it has no bearing on what Dr Murray did not do for Michael’s safe outcome.As far as blaming Michael,it makes me red with anger.
Since Hurricane Katrina was mentioned in another article and people still MISTAKENLY believe that Hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans, I thought I would post this link with pics of before, after and today of the Ms. Gulf Coast where Katrina DID actually make landfall.
Now that’s not to say that what happened in New Orleans wasn’t horrific but it did happen almost 2 days AFTER Katrina hit the Ms. Gulf Coast. N.O. was a MAN MADE disaster.
http://www.sunherald.com/2010/08/06/2387718/katrina-before-after-and-now.html#http://media.sunherald.com/smedia/2010/08/05/18/0808_bilo_katrinaBANlobranoB.standalone.prod_affiliate.77.jpg
New Orleans happened due to the levies breaking. Right? Who is trying to deny that?
The levies failed due to crappy construction and because of that, they couldn’t do what they were suppose to do…hold back the water that was pushed there by Katrina. Typical gov’t bidding on jobs….go cheap and quick.
I understand that part Ken. Are the home owners trying to claim that it was Hurricane Katrina and ot the levies? Is it the governement? Insurance companies? The media?
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DG
EVERY FREAKING NEWS STATION in the world when refering to the devestation from Hurricane Katrina refers to and shows New Orleans. MOST OF THE WORLD believes that all that was a direct result of Katrina smacking into New Orleans when in fact IT DIDN’T HAPPEN.
Most of the people do not pay attention to facts especially when the media under plays why the devestion happened in the first place. From my understanding the government had been warned numerous times about the levies not being strong enough if a major storm were to hit. And sure enough it did.
I live in an area where at times floods happen. I had one customer who had her house flooded 3 times in one year. And she was questioning why with very little rain that had happened… ok well not very little.. we had like 8 inches of rain drop down on us. What she failed to think of that we had 8″ here, a 1/4 mile up the road had the same and so on all the way up the river. To top it aall off, Lakes and dams were spilling over and dams were opened up which allowed all that water to come rushing down the river.
I don’t know if we will ever know the entire truth of the matter but would the levies have held for a longer period of time if just a small storm had hit or was Katrina the deciding factor that wiped out the towns below the levies?
The blame game usually gets played when one does not want to pay for their actions or lack of. Which came first, the chicken or the egg sort of thing.
The reason most of the world focused on NO was the death tolls and the pics that were coming out of it, on top of how the gov’t handled the crisis, which was poorer than shit. the 24/7 news media found a way to use it to boost viewership. It also highlighted a vast failure in the system and that’s another reason so much was focused on NO more than the other areas.
Doesn’t the media always find a way?
I hope that the US Governemnt has learned a valuable lesson from Hurricane Katrina and from all of the aftermath that happened. Many lives lost that should not have been. Many can’t rebuild because they are stuck in a limbo that has been created by a government who doesn’t listen to any warnings.
To someone who went throught and lived through it…… the reasons don’t matter. We get so tired of people hearing Katrina and saying “oh New Orleans”… The fact is that ALL of Mississippi and parts of Alabama were hit by Katrina. New Orleans was on the “good side” and had less than Category 1 winds so basically to New Orleans it was a freaking Tropical Storm….. nothing more. They breathed a sigh of relief afterwards and the mayor said “wow that was to close for comfort…. poor Ms.” THEN almost 2 whole days afterward the levees broke which was a MAN MADE disaster. Ms. had the highest death toll as a direct impact from Katrina. New Orleans death toll was due to the levees breaking and the mayor not calling for mandatory evacuation before hand. It may seem like I’m mincing words here but I’m really not. Not to someone who watched their neighborhood floating down the street and was trying to figure out how to get her terminally ill mother and her 300 pound oxygen tank up into the attic and out of the way of the rising water. All the while winds outside were howling at 140 MPH and shaking the very foundation of the house. Katrina was the third most intense Hurricane to hit the U.S. and I believe it. I was in the middle of it.
DG
Katrina pushed a storm surge of between 15ft and 30ft onto the Gulf Coast. I do believe that if the levees had been built properly in the first place and the warnings had been listened to then YES they would have held until the water found another way out. They originally did what they were designed to do in most places. They held for almost 2 days after Katrina hit. Those levee’s were supposed to be built to 17 ft and the Corps of Eng. said they were but after this happened they found to only be 10 ft in some places….. 7 feet less than what had been designed. Also, there were leaks in the “junctions” where different sections had been joined together improperly. The Army Corps of Engineers actually admitted that the design of the levees was faulty and the investigators found that ” the levee failures were not due to natural forces beyond intended design strength”.
That is why the city of New Orleans as well as citizens won a landmark decision allowing them to sue a Government entity. In this case the Army Corp of Engineers.
I hope I have gotten you the correct link to the report of it all. I don’t have time right now to check and make sure it is the final official one.
http://hsgac.senate.gov/public/_files/Katrina/Preliminary_Report.pdf
DG, some of those levies that were suppose to have earth filling inside them, had newspaper stuff inside
23. Holy Pages Rox… 130 + pages to read? Now? Yikes! Getting ready for vacation. Will be back on 8th or 9th depending on plans. Everyone take care and be safe!
Haha DG…. just in your spare time you know….. It’s VERY eye opening.
New article up about a hit&run death of a young girl in CA.
From TMZ
http://www.tmz.com/2011/02/01/kenny-ortega-michael-jackson-aeg-wrongful-death-lawsuit-katherine-jackson-dismissed-jackson-family/
2/1/2011 10:13 AM PST by TMZ Staff
Michael Jackson’s producer of the “This Is It” tour just got a break in the wrongful death lawsuit filed by Katherine Jackson — he’s been dropped as a defendant … TMZ has learned.
Michael Jackson Wrongful Death Suit
Kenny Ortega was sued by Katherine, who claimed he was part of AEG’s alleged plan to give Michael anything he needed in order for him to perform.
Katherine’s lawyer, Kevin Boyle, tells TMZ, “Based on recently discovered information, the Jackson family has determined that Mr. Ortega should not be a defendant,” adding, “The Jackson Family apologizes for any discomfort or inconvenience this may have caused Mr. Ortega.”
It’s always a discomfort to be sued for wrongful death.
Good Morning,—-HEATH,I feel the blame for Michael’s death belongs to Dr Murray alone “NOT MICHAEL” nor anyone else.Dr Murray was negligent,and no matter how many excuses he gives,the buck stops with him.Leaving Michael’s room at any time when Michael was under “profocol” was crimmial.Dr Murray a cardio Dr appears to be a self absorbed Dr that would do anything for money,I AM SURPRISED HE STILL HAS PTS.by trying to clean the room,by not allowing Michael to be pronounced dead at the home,and by lying to the EMT’S,shows me,he knew what was going on was wrong.Dr Murray was fully aware he was doing something he should not have been doing,therefore I consider it murder.
By the way,Katherine Jackson who I feel has so much on her shoulders,did say she was sorry to Kenny Ortega,she has so much at her age to contend with,I respect her and wish her GOD speed and will pray she will make it through all that is comming her way.
Yea and she has a “business partner” that is exploting her and her son’s name all for his own sake. I say hand that fellow up by his toes and shove bamboo under his fingernails…….
ACCORDING TO TMZ——CONDRAD’S EX POKES HOLES IN MURRAY’S MJ DEFENSE—-Sadie Anding,told ”Good Morning America” Conrad called her” out of the blue” on June 25,2009 and from the beginning of the call he didn’t sound like himself at all,Anding claims she asked Murray what was wrong,and he only replied”Well” That is when Sadie claims he stoppped talking,and Sadie claims she could here ”coughing” followed by “mumbling noises” As TMZ reported,Murray told police ,he was on the phone with someone for a solid 5 min before he noticed something was wrong with MJ and got off the phone.Police believe Murray may have known there was a problem earlier than he claims,and may have used the time to cover up and establish his own timeline.Well,Murray will get caught in his own LIES .Video o TMZ
Beverly I read a post somewhere ages ago that they believe that Michael was dead a lot longer than Murray has reported..it stayed in my mind.
something to do with using the heart massage that would push drugs into the system even after death. ie Murray didn’t realise he was dead when he gave last amount of propofyl in the drip.
I am not anywhere convinced of the truth of Murrays statements and really think the earlier death time is a very good possibilty. This phone thing and making a new timeline seems to fit into this theory.
This could get very interesting if so… covering up a death caused by drugs administered by a Doctor seems to more than suggest Murray knew he was in the wrong
Of course Murray knew what he was doing was wrong. He’s a freaking cardiologist. Hello….. his ass knew that he shouldn’t be administering Profonal in the home setting. He knew he needed all the bells and whistles like a “crash cart”. Didn’t he order some of that stuff and had not recieved it yet? I think I remember reading that he had requested it before MJ’s death. I don’t however believe that he “murdered” MJ. He was careless in his care and he was inattentive and he needs to be held accountable but I believe that MJ’s death was purely accidental on Murray’s part. I’m not saying let the guy walk or anything like that. I believe he should be prosecuted as I believe his actions on that day warrant manslaughter charges.
IMO Murray knew what he was doing was illegal; he as a doctor knew Propofol is not to be administered to anyone outside of a hospital!
Roxanne—-Try as I may,and I am just so upset with the thought of Dr Murray caring so little,for a man so talented,a man who was willing to pay the doctor all that money,a man who’s whole life was inside turmoil,who now had his own children,for Murray to get 3-5 years for” Involuntary Manslaughter”ROTS.ROTS,and double ROTS.Michael was about to make a comeback,and that was taken away.
ON TMZ——–CONRAD’S EX—-HE CARED MORE ABOUT MONEY THEN MJ———Dr Murray ex,the one who claims she was on the phone with Murray while MJ was dying believes Conrad only agreed to become Michael’s doctor so he could pay off the women in his life.Sade Anding sat down for another interview this week and exclaimed”He took big part in being Michael’s doctor
but I feel ,he didn’t take it as being Michael’s friend,he also took it as in after finding out all these different girl’s and his lifestyle,it took it as in the money to help him out.She added ”Murray” was more thinking how the money would help him.and how it can change him and give him and give him the life he wants,instead of really worrying about the main person,and why you’re having the job,which is Michael.
Bev
MJ wasn’t paying Dr. Murray. AEG or whatever it is was paying Dr. Murray. They paid him to make sure MJ slept and was a rehersals. They basically paid him to dope MJ up and babysit him. MJ was an addict. He was demanding and child like. That was seen in several interviews and things he did throughout his career. Like Anna, it was his way or the highway. Now, he in no way deserved what happened to him. He deserved no less than to have people who truly loved him step up and say “enough is enough… you going to rehab dude.” BUT, like Anna, NO ONE did that because he to would have pushed them out of his life. (Don’t rock the boat especaially when it’s paying all your port cost.)
Dr. Murray screwed up big time. He fell to the demands of the patient because he didn’t want to give up the money he had coming in…. $150k a month….. HOLY SHIT!!!! He should be prosectued because he caved to those demands and because he knowingly used dangerous drugs when he shouldn’t have been using them. He wasn’t attentive to his patient and a death occurred. Basic facts….. it was “Involuntary Manslaughter”….. It wasn’t INTENTIONAL. That is the crux of the whole thing when filing charges. Was it done intentionally or not? Not in this instance.
ROXANNE—I know most people believe it was not intentional,but I believe if you do NOTHING to prevent a death from happining,you are just as guilty of murder,as if you had intended to.Thats is just my belief.Murray took a change on Michael dying every time he administered the profocol.I cannot excuse a Doctor,who should have known better,I feel it is a lot more,then his being not attentive to his pt.If you are a Doctor,you DO NOT slide from night to night,and say I made this one,that makes me ill,to think a Cardio doctor thought that way.
PS Roxanne—-Weather he gave in to Michael,and what Michael wanted,I do not see as the problem.What I see is lack of ethical standards.and lack of concern fr his pt.As I have watched repeatedly,the staff,and equipment used in administering Profocol,the constant monitoring of both pt,and equipment,I cannot come to any other conclusion,then a doctor saying,”who the hell cares,just lets get through this night”
Well.I just read on other site.and they are all wacked out about the Anna Nicole Opera comming to Enland in the next few weeks,I sure as hell think Vergie will be there,to watch .She will come in late a make a grand entrance,hope she dusted off her official party dress,and got botox done.
you know her black party down dress,If she goes she will no longer look like she did at the LAX ,She has to go,it is depicking her daughter in a bad light,Vergie loves that.If I was Larry and Howard I would not sue,just demand half the profits go to Dannielynn.I bet Donna Hogan will put her fake boobs to work,along with her bleached hair,maybe after the opera Vergie”s family can have a tail gate party.
Bev
I’m not excuse Murray’s actions. I just think that MJ wasn’t completely innocent in his behavior either. He didn’t deserve what happened to him but, like Anna, he was an adult and it was beyond time to take charge of his own well being and get help for his drug use. This was completely different from the child abuse allegations. I don’t think MJ ever touched a child inappropriately and I don’t believe he ever hurt a child in any way. His way of communicating and spending time with children may have seemed of whack to most but when you think about MJ’s emotional state he was very child like himself.
ROXANNE—-I understand how you feel,I find I am having less and less patience, with careless doctors,I do think when he was accused of molesting ,his heart and soul went out of him Michael loved people, everyone not only children,Michael also needed to know people still loved him,That was taken away from him by Dr Murray.I think what was done to Michael,in the press and tabloids was cruel .Michael looked in the mirror and saw,what the people called him,no one understood,his hurt,so he began to disfigure himself all the more.I am very angry,Dr Murray who claims to be Michael’s friend,took so little interest,that he did not make sure every effort for SAFE results from a med Murray knew he had no business giving Michael.Dr Murray knew Michael could have died at anytime he was administering profocol, yet he kept giving it night after night.Dr Murray KNEW,the end result if something went wrong,that is DEATH,he had nothing for equipment in case something went wrong,and the end result was DEATH,who knows with the right equiment Michael could stll be alive/
There is a new article and new papers on MJ up now.