Anna Nicole Smith

This is the final week of the preliminary hearing to hold Howard K. Stern, Dr. Khristine Eroshevich and Dr. Sandeep Kapoor over for trial of conspiring together to furnish prescription medication to a “known addict”. The trial is rumored that it will start after the first of the year. Which is long after the Howard K. Stern vs. Rita Cosby defamation trial is due to start on November 30 and end within a month or before the end of the year.

Last week on Thursday and Friday we had three pharmacists and the other investigator and partner of Danny Santiago, Jennifer Doss, a special agent with the California Department of Justice pharmaceutical task force. She testified that Anna Nicole Smith had been using multiple doctors, pharmacies and associates to obtain prescription drugs under false names. Steve Sadow suggested in cross-examination that some of the medication was legitimately issued to Howard K. Stern for back problems and for botox injections.

Judge Perry interrupted Jennifer Doss at one point to say, “I’m supposed to be making a decision whether a crime was committed, I don’t want you saying that you think a crime was committed.”

One of the pharmacists, Ira Freeman testified he was so alarmed at the now infamous faxed prescription list that he called a friend who was a drug expert named Gregory Thompson, and asked him to speak with Eroshevich in the Bahamas. Freeman said he had been dealing with Smith for years through his pharmacy, usually issuing prescriptions to her under the name of Michelle Chase, a pseudonym used to protect her privacy. Freeman went on to say that Anna Nicole Smith always sent other people, including Stern, to pick up the prescriptions.

Department of Justice investigator Danny Santiago returned to the stand to relate his interview with Thompson after Smith’s death. Santiago said Thompson, former director of the poison control and drug information center at the University of Southern California, called the dosages requested by Eroshevich “outrageously high.” “He said they would work on an addict under supervised care, a dying cancer patient or if you were gong to kill someone.”

However under cross examination Santiago admitted that during his interview with Thompson the doctor had told Santiago that Dr. Eroshevich was trying to do the right thing for Anna Nicole Smith but was not familiar with the drugs she was prescribing.

We also had Homeland Security agent Kenneth Krause described travel records showing multiple flights by Stern Dr. Khristine Eroshevich, to and from the Bahamas at times when prescriptions were picked up in California for Anna Nicole Smith.

Of the last two witnesses one will be Dr. Timothy Botello Monday to evaluate actions taken by Smith’s psychiatrist Dr. Khristine Eroshevich. The last witness is said to be a computer forensics expert who will testify to what this forensic expert found in regards to analyze e-mails in the case.

In other news on Friday, October 23 Larry Birkhead and Debra Opri settled their cross suits against each other. The public part of the agreement says that each will pay their own attorney fees and that the Los Angeles Court will continue jurisdiction to enforce the settlement. The public documents do not say how much of that $600,000+ of money held in an interest drawing bank account since June 2007 will be divided between Birkhead and Opri.

UPDATE: In this morning testimony, Dr. Timothy Botello, an expert in psychiatry, testified he documented prescriptions written from 2003 to 2007 when Smith died. He focused on one month in 2004 when Dr. Khristine Eroshevich, Smith’s psychiatrist, and Dr. Sandeep Kapoor were giving her medications from various pharmacies.

Stay with Rose Speaks.com throughout today as we bring you the latest from the court in Los Angeles as the preliminary hearing winds down.

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October 26, 2009
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149 Responses to “Final Week for Preliminary Howard K. Stern and Larry Birkhead vs. Debra Opri over!!!”
  1. BEVERLY says:

    I could not be more happy for Larry,Soon every case will be over and life can begin for both Howard and Larry,it is a long time in comming.I do know Vergie is going to pend the rest of her life going between Howard and Larry.Iam hoping the courts soon will put a end to all her filings,and tell her to go to a priest to ease her soul.nothing the courts can do.

  2. Beth says:

    Sorry to hear of the computer troubles Roxanne.
    I just usually get the computer RESTORE disks and redo the computer like from factory.
    I lose everything all of the time, I think I had to do that 3 times this year! Damn viruses!

    I need to invest in a good Anti-Virus disc from Staples or Office Max…

  3. hmm says:

    Beth IMO she doesn’t care either way right or wrong.I had just read an article i think it was the huffington post about capping jury awards for certain civil awards. My response is cap how much Attorneys can charge in these class action suits because only the attorneys make out and they sometimes cheat their clients like in the breast implant case.IMO that’s why attorneys go after class action cases. I have received many notices asking if I took a certain drug and if I did I could join the suit or another one was the suit against the credit reporting agencies.Who made out in that one? The lawyers did no one else did.I think the US has become to much of a litigious country.I agree if some is hurt from something they should be able to file suit but limit how much the attorney can get and put a cap on the amount a jury can award.Trillians of dollars does not bring someone back nor does it help or stop the hurt.

  4. BEVERLY says:

    BETH—-Those who have good hearts cannot see the real evil in others. I wish with all my heart I could believe like you,but by going after Dannielynn,and trying to take the child away from a father,Anna had NO mother No father,like they said “The prove is in the pudding”if anyone finds it hard to believe Anna,just watch Vergie actions against Larry Birkhead.Vergie does not care what she says or does for MONEY.WHY,would a woman Vergie’s age,and with her aneurism,and effects,retired,want to take a child away from a parent(money)Another telling of Vergie knowing what she was doing,is going after dannielynn when Larry was sick with 106 temp,and trying to slip legal papers under larry’s nose to get dannielynn .Everything she has done to Larry shows me,this woman is pure evil,and everything Anna said about her mother is SO TRUE .

  5. Beth says:

    “Trillions of dollars does not bring someone back nor does it help or stop the hurt.”

    True hmm.

    I have always felt that ANY award should be no more that that person would make in their lifetime, plus attorney’s fees, and any medical fees paid for life if they were done wrong.
    It also makes me mad that victims of crimes that get hurt physically have to pay their own medical bills for something that was done by violence or from a medical malpractice situation.
    While I am on my soap box (LOL) I wish that any child molester would get the death penalty when they are clearly proven guilty beyond any reasonable doubt within 30 days of the verdict, along with any rapist that has clearly been proven guilty.
    I know there are a few innocent people on death row, but I am talking about the ones caught red handed…
    To me they should not or they do not deserve to take another second breath of air after crimes like that, and all their possessions should be sold and given to the victim.
    But that is my ’sense’ of a true judgment. Everyone has differences depending on how they were raised or their own opinions after living in this world for awhile and learning about the horrors that happen in life.

    This last little victim that was televised about, Somer. The 7 or 8 year old little girl with the twin brother…
    How very sad and sickening this story is like so many others.
    I do not understand why every news station and radio station along with every school in that State was not alerted to the failed attempt of grabbing a child just weeks before in the same area!
    * That tragedy may have been avoided if the public and parents were informed better.
    Just absolutely breaks my heart.

    Sorry, I went way off topic there… So much tragedy just weighs on my mind. Senseless harm to innocent children and adults.
    I strongly feel if we would have public hangings like in the old Western days, these nutcases wouldn’t dare commit the crimes as much…
    That may sound harsh, and lol not the democratic way. What we are doing now is NOT working though.
    NO CHILD MOLESTER should ever be set free to hurt again!

    I forget what the news said when they were questioning the sex offenders in the 3 to 5 mile radius of that little girl’s home…
    30 to 50 sex offenders listed living that close… Ridiculous!

    * Our Government should help to keep our children safe! > Not let these creeps out to harm more people!

  6. heath says:

    That is great news about Opri and Larry. You could bet she wouldn’t have if she didn’t have to.

    I have just redone my computer with the new Windows 7…I had to redo everything and my virus stuff is not compatable…damnation. I had to disable it and go with windows stuff. Yuck. I am sorting that out real fast.

    Rox start from scratch and just put your passwords on a pad in your own writing and burn your exe files to a disk if you can’t redownload online…been there, have a lot of tshirts to prove it… gives you a chance to give your computer a new look :)

  7. JMA says:

    Bewildered this/my response is in reference to your post #101 in the “Did Larry Lie” WV would have to know the sender of that e-mail due to she was the recipient. The sender would had to of known that WV and DC where going to be playing PI’s.

  8. Rose says:

    OK if the pharmacists KNEW that Anna Nicole Smith used fake names, multiple doctors and pharmacies and HKS was only ONE of the ppl that picked up prescriptions for ANS, why is there not all of the pharmacists on trial since to fill a prescription under a false name is NOT legal and is a felony fraud? How many were scared into testifying? How many celebrities will have to move now to states that allow them to protect their privacy? If these celebrities begin to move what will that do to the already bankrupt California by cutting off the state income tax as well as money spent for health care in California by the rich and famous?

  9. Lizzie says:

    What is the big deal about picking up a prescription for someone else?

    If a person is ill in bed with … say … flu … would they have to get up and go get their own medicine? Or someone being treated at home for cancer … would they have to get themselves to the pharmacy to pick up their prescriptions?

    If that is the case then no wonder swine flu is spreading so rapidly!

  10. heath says:

    If they are quoting the conversations with Thompson re the drugs and his conversation with Dr Eroshevich. Why is the statements allowed and not the first hand testimony?? It is being shown that it has been taken out of context already.

    Yes they seem to be cherry picking Howard from all the other assistants Anna had to pick up meds. Why can’t you pick up meds for someone else? We have a section on a script for the agent to sign ie the person picking up the meds. Also you can leave your script with repeats on it and have them delivered if you want that service from the pharmacy.

    Hope everyone had a nice weekend :) Sorry about your computer Rox.

    But I now know if you upgrade to windows 7 you have to upgrade and purchase new security software to cope with the changes :(

  11. JMA says:

    Rose [8] excellent points.

    OMG California’s DOJ has no idea how many Celebrities use factious names on their scripts but I bet those Celebrities who are doing the same thing Anna did in order to maintain privacy are keeping a close eye on this case.

    Lizzie [9] I never knew it was such a big deal hell I’ve picked up scripts for several different people due to they could not get out to get them.

  12. Bewildered says:

    JMA…oh I’m sure she knows who sent it. I was just hoping she would be gracious enough to say who it was..lol

    Not only pharmacists Rose but hospitals too. Didn’t some nurses get in trouble for spilling the beans over George Clooney, once upon a time? Was he using his real name? Did Anna check into the hospital under her real name?

    I’m not trying to downplay that celebrites are any better than the average Joe. But normally the average Joe doesn’t have his info sold to tabloids and infotainment networks. Another thing that perplexes me is this is not new history in the state of CA or any other state for that matter. What is new is using the name of Anna and MJackson to make a statement. If this was such a serious concern, they would of been protecting the citizens of CA long ago. Maybe they are, I don’t know. If a loved one of mine had died from intentional malice from a doc, I would be hoping the state would care enough to do something about it, and not just because well known names get more attention. When an alcoholic goes into a bar, does the bartender get charged with a felony if something happens after the patron has left? If you eat too much ice cream, knowing you are a diabetic, and lapse into a coma, is the grocery store responsible? That’s why I’m having a hard time seperating personal responsibilty and the so called conspiracy charge.

    Without the conspiracy charges, the doctors would be punished possibly by having their license pulled. To say that they all acted with malice to hurt Anna, is pushing it in my mind. As to those who have testifyied so far, “under supervised care”. “trying to do the right thing but out of her league”. “often without medical need”. How do they differentiate between medical need and abuse without being IN the situation at the time things were happening? Jumble it around until it fits the intent they are pushing? Just doesn’t compute. Maybe I’m being the air head because it all seems so fabricated.

    I’m sure it will go to trial, but if there is any indication so far, the public just doesn’t seem interested. Just us :lol: and I don’t know if that’s a good thing. I understand that prescription abuse is a large problem nationwide. So is crystal meth, so are alot of things that challenge someones mental health and well being. What one person uses to ‘tune out’ their problems in life, or to unwind, celebrate, or crave is not my personal right to dictate. As I’ve always told my children, all I can do is be responsible for my actions, and reactions. I guess I am a bigger advocate for personal responsibility. And so far, I feel the responsibilty laid with Anna. I can understand why she used, why she would want to quit, why she maybe enjoyed it. Good thing I’m not on the future jury.

  13. Bewildered says:

    Lizzie..just had the same thing happen to me the other day. Took my son to the ER to have some metal removed from his eye. (Seems eye problems were b ig last week Rose :wink: ) Afterwards while waiting for the scripts, I asked if I could sign for the pain meds. Son isn’t a minor but they said OK. He was in such pain, I asked if I could take him home, and come back. When I did, I picked them up, signed my name. They didn’t ask to see ID.

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  15. skooly says:

    Rose, so good to see you back!!!!!!! I really missed your input on matters happening.

  16. Rose says:

    Bewildered all great points… Ken picks up all of my prescriptions, the pharmacy and the ppl working there all know him by first name. NONE of them would know who I was even if I came in to pick up “my own prescriptions”… I keep thinking about what Judge Perry said, “if someone CHOOSES to take a handful of pills, whose fault is that?” I think in the end it has been proven time and time again that ANS was ALWAYS in charge of her life and those around her and if you did not cater to her, you were gone… It is about personal responsibility to me and not about “who can we blame for headlines”? Which is appears is all this case is about… AGAIN why the very public preliminary hearing, it gives the defense a head up on which witnesses can be discredited, which ones can have buttons pushed, and a sample of what the prosecution is doing plus for those who follow this in California it taints the jury pool IMO… which always brings me back to the same question WHY????

  17. Rose says:

    Heath thanks for the head’s up on Microsoft 7… I will stay with XP until all of the bugs in 7 are worked out, everyone I know that tried Vista, went back to XP… Microsoft is a greedy little company aren’t they? New OS means buying new protection… sighs :(

  18. Rose says:

    LOS ANGELES—A witness has testified that Anna Nicole Smith’s psychiatrist was prescribing excessive medication at a time when other doctors were giving the former Playboy model opiates and other drugs.
    Dr. Timothy Botello, an expert in psychiatry, testified Monday at a preliminary hearing for three defendants accused of illegally giving Smith drugs.

    Botello documented prescriptions written from 2003 to 2007, when Smith died of an accidental drug overdose at a Florida hotel.

    He focused on one month in 2004 when Dr. Khristine Eroshevich, Smith’s psychiatrist, and Dr. Sandeep Kapoor were giving her medications from various pharmacies.

    http://www.mercurynews.com/california/ci_13642946

  19. Roxanne says:

    Holy hell Batman!!!! I’m back from internet darkness. Now, THAT is hell on earth. lol I still can’t figure out what is up with my home computer. I can connect to the internet just fine but when I try to actually get on the damn thing using either Internet Explorer or AOL, it tells me that it can’t display the page cuz I’m not connected to the internet. All diagnostics on the damn modem and connection show that all is well. Somewhere between signing on to my provider, which isn’t IE or AOL for the actual connection, something isn’t working. Who knows. This has happened before one time and I messed around with it for about a week and was finally able to get it working. Have no idea what I did though. LOL

  20. JMA says:

    Bewildered [12] oh no doubt she knows the sender but don’t hold your breath she will tell most likely it will be her usual response the old “I can’t discuss that” wanna make a bet ;-)

  21. JMA says:

    Roxanne [19] welcome back to the Internet highway hope you get your online issue resolved.

  22. Bewildered says:

    Welcome back Roxanne….

    I found the answer to my question… http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/2008-08-27-celeb-confidentiality_N.htm

  23. heath says:

    Roxy, Get online from your work computer and go to your providers site and they will have the settings for yourr router/modem etc.

    If you can’t fix it that way when you are home in front of the computer phone tech support and stay talking until it is fixed.

    I have had problems before with settings and I wasn’t able to fix on my own..you have to have computers ip address etc and passwords.

    Sorry Ken but I bet this was designed by men cause it doesn’t always work…………………………………………

  24. JMA says:

    Bewildered [22] thanks for the link to that article, that right there is why some Celebrities choose to use alias when under any sort of doctor or hospital care.

  25. heath says:

    Just got this alert

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5i17A4FXTLhJX10-sCbhhnhdqY9HwD9BJ0R0G4

    Back to Google News
    Witness: Anna Nicole Smith was an addict

    By LINDA DEUTSCH (AP) – 52 minutes ago

    LOS ANGELES — Anna Nicole Smith was addicted to prescription drugs and her psychiatrist should have known it, an expert witness testified Monday.

    Dr. Timothy Botello, an expert in psychiatry, said Dr. Khristine Eroshevich was excessively prescribing drugs to the late celebrity model in amounts that could have been dangerous.

    In examining records of the case, Botello said he could find no medical reasons to prescribe the dosages of four different medications being given to Smith simultaneously by Eroshevich toward the end of her life.

    “For someone with a drug addiction history, it would be quite dangerous,” he said.

    “Is it your opinion that Anna Nicole Smith was an addict?” asked Deputy District Attorney Sean Carney.

    “Yes, based in the information I reviewed,” he said during an ongoing preliminary hearing.

    Smith died at a Florida hotel in February 2007 of an accidental overdose of at least nine different medications.

    Eroshevich, Dr. Sandeep Kapoor and Smith’s former boyfriend-lawyer Howard K. Stern are charged with conspiring to illegally provide Smith with controlled substances. The allegations include giving drugs to an addict.

    All three have pleaded not guilty. They are not charged in the death of Smith.

    The preliminary hearing is being held to determine whether there is enough evidence to order them to stand trial.

    Botello testified that Smith’s medical records showed she had been treated for addiction at the Betty Ford Center before she met Eroshevich, and that she had been admitted to Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in 2006 to withdraw from drugs when she was pregnant.

    Botello said he didn’t know if Eroshevich was aware of either hospitalization or if she was conferring with other doctors who had been treating Smith for years for chronic pain.

    “Given the history of substance abuse, you would be careful to give the lowest amount” of drugs, he said.

    A psychiatrist prescribing medications in the situation should have been part of a pain management team, conferring with other doctors to assure they did not duplicate prescriptions, he said.

    Botello said he assumed Eroshevich and Kapoor knew each other. But Kapoor has said he never met Eroshevich while both were treating Smith.

    Testimony indicated Eroshevich began her relationship with Smith as a friend and neighbor. Botello said that made it doubly important that she separate the personal and medical relationships while prescribing drugs.

    Testimony suggested that Eroshevich was trying to help Smith recover from the 2006 death of her son, Daniel, when she began prescribing sedatives.

    Copyright © 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.

  26. hmm says:

    Roxie I had the exact same problem and spent hours trying to undo whatever I did.I know I changed some settings on tools and options but couldn’t remember which changes I had made,Tried to reset and that did not take care of it. Finally After hours going back and forth I restored a few days before and it fixed whatever I had done and I got my EX back.Never lost Mozilla ,but I don’t really like it just sort of keep it for back up.Glad to see you back home you get your home computer back up to par.I think mine was something to do with my security

  27. JMA says:

    OH Holy crap in order to please the Topix cow’s here is a correction for a word I misspelled in one of my post [#11] not “factious” the correct spelling is “fictitious” now y’all guess which finger I’m waving at yah. Oh they are all oh so perfect, as if!

  28. susieq2 says:

    Yep-the expert witness has has left the judge no alternative but to send it to trial in my …mho. Thanks for preparing us Rose…good source.

    I figured they would focus on the addiction…and Dr Drew would have been the “EXPERT”. lol

    Anyone want to discuss this want to focus on LINDA DEUTSCH (AP) – 52 minutes ago line, by line?

    I have actually been hoping this would go to trial.

    I think it was the defense team strategy to go the have prelim.

    When I say team it includes Sadow, Brown,Wood, Barth, Braun, and Ellyn Garofalo.

  29. heath says:

    next report from Harriet Ryan..

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/10/psychiatrists-prescibed-excessive-amounts-of-drugs-to-anna-nicole-smith-expert-testifies.htm

    Crime | Government | Medical marijuana | Education | Swine flu | Traffic | Westside
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    Psychiatrists prescribed excessive amounts of drugs to Anna Nicole Smith, expert testifies
    October 26, 2009 | 1:58 pm

    Annanicole A psychiatrist described as a close friend and maternal figure to Anna Nicole Smith repeatedly prescribed excessive amounts of sedatives and opiates despite the model’s history of addiction, an expert testified Monday.

    The expert told a judge hearing evidence against Dr. Khristine Eroshevich and two others that medical and pharmacy records indicated at least five instances in which the Encino psychiatrist overprescribed Valium, Vicodin or other drugs in the four years leading up to Smith’s death.

    The treatment, Dr. Timothy Botello concluded in a report commissioned by the state’s Bureau of Narcotic Enforcement and submitted to the judge, represented “an extreme departure” from the normal standard of care.

    “She knew or should have known the patient had an addiction problem,” Botello told Superior Court Judge Robert J. Perry.

    The judge will determine whether prosecutors have enough evidence to try Eroshevich; Smith’s internist, Dr. Sandeep Kapoor; and her boyfriend, Howard K. Stern, for illegally furnishing the onetime Playboy playmate with prescription medication. All three have pleaded not guilty.

    Botello cited a period in August 2006 – six months before the model overdosed – when Eroshevich prescribed the then-pregnant Smith three very similar sedatives to be taken at overlapping times.

    “With a history of substance abuse, I could not find a legitimate medical purpose for prescribing all three throughout the day,” he testified.

    Eroshevich lived next-door to Smith’s home in Studio City and the two socialized and even shared holiday meals, according to the testimony of other witnesses at the hearing.

    Prosecutors have tried to present evidence of a sexual relationship between the women, but the judge barred it during the preliminary hearing.

    Smith had been treated at the Betty Ford Center years before her 2007 death and was hospitalized in 2006 for acute withdrawal after she attempted to go “cold turkey” off of methadone and Xanax.

    Under cross-examination, Botello acknowledged that there was no indication in the medical records that other physicians, including Kapoor, told Eroshevich about Smith’s substance abuse problems.

    –Harriet Ryan

  30. Roxanne says:

    26
    I tried to restore last night back to Thursday because that was the last day I could get on the net at home. I’ve been through it all and am about to pull my hair out.

  31. heath says:

    Rox it is not restore it is the modem settings and the protocols for the internet provider

  32. Bewildered says:

    Seems it’s probably going to go to trial. Does the judge have power to change the charges or would that be dealt with during the trial?

  33. susieq2 says:

    I think Prosecution can request a different judge
    I just hope the one waiting in the wings will be as fair as Judge Perry. He has took the bat to both sides.
    I think Moe is needed-he testified to a lot of key things in facor of defendants.

  34. Bewildered says:

    Oh I think he has been fair also Suzieq! At least from the reports, he has asked questions and seems to not be swayed. I’m just not familiar with the workings of a courtroom and how the process works.

    Again, his testimony, just as Moe’s and Larry’s left no clear cut answers. I remember FShelly’s remarks…”we had strict instructions on her meds”. Wonder if he’ll show up as a witness? The nannies…the same..instructions left.

    A different DA asking ?’s today?

  35. BEVERLY says:

    Well if I read anything in this case,I am reading Howard was used,by Dr E and Anna,as I said before,there were a lot of things going on between DrE and Anna Howard knew nothing about,I think the Drs should go to trial NOT hOWARD,and let me tell you,Anna knew every med she was getting,make no mistake about that.I am angry Dr E not only put her career in trouble,she also tryed to SCREW HOWARD AS WELL.

  36. heath says:

    another swims gem :)

    266. HKS Prelim Day 9 – Elements of a crime missing again

    • ‘Academic’ ‘expert’ told a great story until the cross

    Too many drugs for a ‘known addict’, etc. etc. until, as Harriet Ryan reports:

    “Under cross-examination, Botello acknowledged that there was no indication in the medical records that other physicians, including Kapoor, told Eroshevich about Smith’s substance abuse problems.”

    Another gem, as Linda Deutsch reported:

    “Botello said he assumed Eroshevich and Kapoor knew each other. But Kapoor has said he never met Eroshevich while both were treating Smith.” – Oops. This followed Botello’s testimony:

    “Botello said he didn’t know if Eroshevich was aware of either (Betty Ford Center or Cedars-Sinai) hospitalization or if she was conferring with other doctors who had been treating Smith for years for chronic pain.

    “Given the history of substance abuse, you would be careful to give the lowest amount” of drugs, he said.

    A psychiatrist prescribing medications in the situation should have been part of a pain management team, conferring with other doctors to assure they did not duplicate prescriptions, he said.”

    Amazing how facts interrupt otherwise sound appearing testimony. Clinical Psychiatric specialists (those who actually see patients) know that other practitioners do not participate on ‘teams’ in real life. Pain Management clinics are few and far between and are themselves constant targets of the government (especially people like JB) and so hold close to the vest how they treat patients. The theories look great in textbooks but do not reflect real life medical practice.

    Posted at 7:22PM on Oct 26th 2009 by Only swim in the Ocean

    Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2009/10/16/larry-birkhead-anna-nicole-smith-howard-k-stern-drugs-sandeep-kapoor-khristine-eroshevich/18#comments#ixzz0V5UP1z7M

  37. susieq2 says:

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    7. Talk about the issue or subject with your friends. Friends often share your view about many social, or local issues, and if they have formed a solid opinion, they may have reasons for what they believe which will help you form your own.
    8. Learn to throw out sensationalized or motive generated stories on the subject. If you only read the headlines on an issue, especially in a biased media element, you will be led into thinking the way that media element wants you to think. Often, headlines are worded in such a way to grab attention, and only in the fine print will you find any reasoned, substantially accurate information on the topic.
    9. Ask yourself if what you hear or read is reasonable, logical, and realistic. If someone says, in their opinion, a certain stock will triple in value in a short time, you may obviously question their opinion. Often, this “shading” of facts is much more subtle, so educating yourself is the best foundation for forming a coherent view of the topic.
    10. Decide what your opinion is on a subject, be willing to state it, defend it, and stand by it, but have an open mind unless you are thoroughly convinced and willing to argue your point of view.
    11. Keep your opinion to yourself until you reach the point described above, unless you are asked for it, or choose to reveal it in friendly discussion.

    Tips
    • Because the range of opinions run from life or death, to mundane and insignificant, how much time you spend should correspond to the importance of the topic.
    • Do not let a patently biased source be the sole source of information about the topic you are pondering. Look for facts, not ideas fronted as facts.
    • Never let what you want to believe steer your search for information on the topic you are forming your opinion on. Almost every basketball fan in Los Angeles has the opinion the Lakers will be unbeatable next year.
    Warnings
    • Some people are less than reasonable in discussing opinions on subjects like abortion, religion, and politics.
    • Never close your mind on a subject if evidence emerges that contradicts what you believe.
    • Be polite when talking to in-laws and out-laws, you never know who’s feelings may be hurt, or how your words and opinion alone can kill relationships.
    • When talking about controversial subjects such as abortion, religion, and politics realize that there are many different paths to the same conclusion. In addition, if you feel strongly, state that you do not agree with the other party and take a break from that topic for a while. Chances are, you can come to an agreement based off of factual evidence (e.g. the bible, or similar standard of belief). Finally, also be open to involving a third party to the discussion.

  38. susieq2 says:

    HOW TO ATTACK AND DEFEND EXPERT WITNESSES
    By Vincent DiCarlo
    TABLE OF CONTENTS
    I. ENGAGING THE EXPERT
    A. Engage As Consultant And Possible Witness.
    Many times, experts are engaged first as a consultant and then the determination is made to disclose those consultants as witnesses who will testify at time of trial. The key here is to realize that as long as the expert is a consultant, his work product is confidential. When the expert’s name is disclosed as a potential witness in the matter, the prior work product becomes subject to discovery.

    B. Explain Precisely Upon What Subject Matter The Expert Will Be Expected To Express An Opinion.
    This is very important. Counsel should explain in detail to the proposed expert the exact issue or issues which counsel wants the expert to address. A determination should be made as to whether to limit the amount of information flowing to the expert. Counsel should remember that all information communicated to the testifying expert is discoverable. Counsel should attempt to narrow the focus of potential expert testimony but should also keep in mind that for the expert’s testimony to be credible, he or she must be reasonably well-informed on any and all issues in the case which might relate to the basis or the ultimate opinion expressed by the expert.

    C. Inform Expert Of What He Or She Is Expected To Do And On What Terms.

    Counsel should define the scope of the expert’s commitment of time. Counsel should provide the expert with the expected trial or deposition dates as early as possible.
    D. Make Sure The Expert Understands The Scope Of Your Adversary’s Discovery Rights.

    The expert needs to understand that his file is completely discoverable. The following are important considerations which counsel and the expert should keep in mind.
    1. Documents contained in the expert’s discovery file should be those which counsel and the expert do not object to producing to opposing counsel.
    2. The expert may want to be careful in putting preliminary opinions, impressions, or thoughts in writing. The expert should be reminded that putting preliminary opinions, impressions or other thoughts in writing makes those preliminary opinions, impressions or other thoughts discoverable and may also create a waiver with respect to any prior preliminary opinions, impressions or other thoughts.

    E. Ethical Considerations — How To Get An Honest Expert And Keep Him or Her That Way.
    1. Hire the expert first as a consultant if possible and then decide whether to use him or her at trial.
    2. Avoid experts who want to direct the case or seem to be attempting to tailor their answers to fit what they think you want. Such experts often lack credibility. Be very careful of the expert who wants to direct your case. Everything which is shown to your expert becomes discoverable. As a result, much of counsel’s case could easily be subject to discovery by virtue of an overly aggressive expert attempting to review any and all items related to the case.
    3. Let your expert know unequivocally that you want nothing but honest answers.

    II. PREPARING YOUR EXPERT TO GIVE AN OPINION
    A. What To Give And What Not To Give To The Expert.
    In short, counsel should only give to the expert those documents that counsel wants discovered.
    B. The Importance Of Keeping Track Of What The Expert Has Reviewed Or Consulted In Reaching His Opinion.
    Counsel must know what the expert has reviewed or consulted in order to make sure that the expert has examined enough material to provide a credible basis for his or her opinion and to prevent unintended disclosure of case materials.

    III. PREPARING THE EXPERT TO BE DEPOSED OR CROSS-EXAMINED
    A. Preparation In Common With All Witnesses
    Depending upon the experience of the particular expert, the expert should be advised that opposing counsel will attempt to illicit inconsistent testimony which will undermine the expert’s credibility of the strength of the key opinion. All witnesses, and particularly an expert, should be told not to stretch beyond the truth, to rely only upon the facts which can be proven, and not to overstate his or her opinion. The demeanor of the expert may significantly affect opposing counsel’s estimate of the persuasiveness of the expert, as well as the relative potential for success in the case. The expert should not argue with opposing counsel.
    All witnesses, and particularly an expert, should be advised of the following with respect to answering questions:
    (1) Listen carefully to the entire question. Do not answer the question until you are sure that you understand what is being asked. The expert should be reminded that many attorneys will deliberately ask misleading questions and that he or she should not attempt to answer a question unless the meaning is easily understood. The expert should not try to answer ambiguous questions. The expert should be very careful to avoid answering any question which mischaracterizes any prior testimony or misstates the facts.
    (2) The expert should wait for a short time before beginning his or her answer to the question. This allows counsel the opportunity to object and allows the expert the opportunity to fully consider and formulate a thoughtful and considered answer to the question. The expert should be reminded that he or she should not allow opposing counsel to proceed at an uncomfortable rate. If opposing counsel asks the questions “rapid-fire”, the expert should not allow this to cause him or her to rush.
    (3) The expert should be reminded that he or she should not guess at the answer to a question.
    (4) The expert should be reminded to answer only the question that is asked and to answer it as briefly and succinctly as possible.
    (5) To the extent that the expert is aware of any mistake in his or her testimony, he or she should correct it before the end of the deposition after conferring with counsel. The expert should, accordingly, request a recess and should advise counsel of the mistake. Together, counsel and the expert should agree upon the best way to correct the record.
    (6) The expert should fully review any document about which he is asked before answering any questions pertaining to such document. The expert should not assume that he or she is already sufficiently familiar with the document.
    (7) The expert should be wary of questions designed to tempt him beyond the confines of his defined expertise.
    B. Preparation Unique To Expert Based On Expected Lines Of Questions
    Experts should be prepared to deal with the following types of cross-examination:
    (1) Attacks upon qualifications.
    (2) Attacks upon the basis of the opinion. The expert should be fully aware of all of the facts upon which the opinion is based, should know which facts are significant such that a change in the facts would necessitate a change in the opinion, and should be fully prepared to describe all of the considerations entering into formulation of the opinion.
    (3) Attacks based upon hypothetical or changed facts. This is an area where the expert should focus with counsel prior to the deposition. Counsel and the expert should go over each of the key facts to determine what changes in the opinion would have to be made given certain factual changes. What facts cannot be changed without destroying the opinion?
    (4) Attempts to get the expert to agree with some or all of the premises of the opponent’s case or of testimony by the opponent’s expert.
    The expert should be made fully aware prior to cross-examination of the key premises in the opposition’s case. To the extent the expert is forced to agree to such a key premise, this may very well damage the viability of his or her own opinion and the overall success of the case. Where possible, the expert should be thoroughly prepared to avoid admitting any key premise of the opposition’s case or of the opposition’s expert testimony.

    IV. DEPOSING YOUR OPPONENT’S EXPERT
    Deposing your opponent’s expert can be one of the most important parts of your trial preparation. If you follow the method described below, it will also be one of the most effective ones.
    1. Before the Deposition.
    Before you can take the deposition of your opponent’s expert you must find out who he is. Your local rules will tell you how to do this.
    When you notice the other side’s deposition, you should include a document request. In addition to the discoverable reports and writings that were requested in the demand for a witness exchange, you should ask for at least the following:
    1. All documents reflecting or relating to any communication between the expert and opposing counsel, including such things as engagement letters.
    2. All documents reflecting any communication relating to the engagement, including any communications with witnesses.
    3. All documents reflecting or relating to any preliminary opinions or conclusions.
    4. All documents consulted or relied upon by the expert in connection with the engagement including those he consulted or relied upon in forming his opinions.
    5. All documents relating to his educational, employment, and professional history and any other documents reflecting or relating to his qualifications to testify.
    6. Copies of all professional publications to which he has written or contributed.
    7. All documents reflecting or relating to other cases in which he has testified as an expert, including any documents, including transcripts, that reflect the substance of his testimony, the terms of his engagement, the court in which the action was pending, or the outcome of the case.
    8. All other documents relating to the engagement, the opinions he expects to give, or the opinions he was asked to consider giving.
    Before the deposition, you should learn as much as you can about your opponent’s expert, his area of expertise, and the potential weak spots in his opinions. Your own expert is one source of such information but you should not limit yourself to any one source.
    There are two schools of thought about whether it is better to try to take the deposition of your opponent’s expert before or after that of your expert. If your expert goes last, your opponent will have had the benefit of seeing what a really good deposition of an expert looks like. He will also have a pretty good idea of your theories to help him prepare for his deposition of your expert. On the other hand, your expert will have the benefit of knowing what the other side’s expert said and can avoid pitfalls and help you to develop lines of inquiry.
    In the deposition, your goals will be to exhaust the witness’s qualifications, his preparations to opine, and his opinions. In addition, you will explore with him all the areas that you expect to cover with your own witness, get any admissions you can, and explore any possible sources of bias.
    You exhaust the witness’s qualifications by first getting a narrative description of all of the qualifications and experiences that the expert believes qualify him to give an opinion in your case. Look for differences between the facts of this case and situations with which the witness has had experience. You should end up with a list of characteristics of this case with which the witness is unfamiliar or inexperienced. You can then use these admissions to exclude the witness’s testimony or attack his credibility at trial with questions like “Isn’t it a fact that you’ve never treated even a single person for a broken leg where there was also extensive damage to the kneecap?” or “You’ve never appraised a regional shopping mall before, have you?”
    In addition, you should look for differences between the kind of opinion that the witness seeks to give at trial and the kind of opinion that the witness is required to form in his own work. For example, the branch manager of a stock brokerage firm who is being called to give an opinion about the suitability of an investment recommended by the defendant to the plaintiff may never be called upon to make investment recommendations in his daily work of supervising other brokers and office operations. The goal with this kind of questioning is to limit the areas of the witness’s expertise to exclude some or all of the areas material to the case.
    As with all similar types of questioning, it is important to ask the closeout questions. For example, you should not leave the area of the witness’s qualifications until you get an unequivocal “no” to a question like “Do you have any other qualifications or experiences that fit you to express an opinion in this case?”
    After you exhaust the witness’s qualifications, you do the same thing with respect to the witness’s preparation to render an opinion. You want to know everything the witness did and should not leave this area until you get a satisfactory answer to your closeout questions. Then, get specific about what was not done. Ask the witness whether it would have been helpful to have done specific additional items of preparation. Ask whether the results of the additional procedures might have changed his opinions in any respect. Find out why or why not. Then ask the witness open ended questions about what additional preparation or procedures might have been helpful to him. Find out the reasons why or why not. Find out why any admittedly valuable procedures were not done. Ask the closeout questions.
    Next you exhaust the witness’s opinions. Find out all the opinions and conclusions he has reached or was asked to reach. Ask the closeout questions. For each opinion:
    1. Find out all the facts upon which it is based. Find out the basis, if any, for those facts. Ask whether relevant alternative facts might result in a different conclusion. Find out why or why not. Ask the closeout questions.
    2. Determine the witness’s degree of confidence in each of his opinions in an attempt to distinguish between firmly held conclusions and mere guesswork or speculation. This works two ways:
    a. If the witness admits that some of his opinions, conclusions, or assumptions are less than secure, his opinions will carry less weight.
    b. If the witness claims an improbable degree of confidence in his opinions, he may hurt his credibility.
    Finally, ask the witness all the questions you will or might ask your own expert. His opinion on many matters may support your theories and will be far more convincing on these points than those of your own witness. For each answer that contradicts your own expert or theory:
    1. Find out the precise nature of the disagreement.
    2. Find out whether the contradictory opinions are based on different assumptions. If so, ask whether the expert’s opinion would change if he accepted the same facts as your expert. Ask him what other changes in the facts might change his opinions. If there are no facts that could change his opinion, or he says that obviously material facts wouldn’t affect his opinions, he won’t be very credible. If he admits that certain facts would change his opinion, maybe you can prove those facts at trial and turn him, in effect, into your witness.
    3. Find out whether there is more than one school of thought in the community of experts. If so, see if you can get the hostile expert to admit that there is a substantial body of thought that supports your position.
    During the course of completing the above lines of questioning, you should have gotten most of the useful admissions that could be obtained concerning the expert’s expertise, preparation, opinions, and assumptions. In addition, try to get admissions concerning the expertise of your own experts and the reliability of any treatises, tests, or other sources of information upon which you intend to rely.
    Next, you should ask the witness about the documents. Start by asking how the documents he brought with him or provided through counsel were gathered or selected. Ask about each category of document you requested and ask whether the witness knows of any documents in the category that were not produced. Also ask pointed questions about more specific kinds of documents that fall into the categories and that were not produced but that you believe or suspect exist.
    Ask whether the witness reviewed any documents when he was preparing to testify, including personal notes, and make sure that you have copies of them. You should be aware that, while an argument can be made that many documents prepared by or reviewed by the witness are work product, cases in this area have held either that the designation of an expert to testify waives any work product or attorney-client privilege or that counsel’s need to cross examine the expert on materials covered only by work product protection outweighs that protection. See, e.g., National Steel Products Co. v. Sup. Court (1985) 164 Cal.App.3d 477, 485, 488, 210 Cal.Rptr. 535, 540, 542; County of Los Angeles v. Sup. Court (1990) 224 Cal.App.3d 1446, 1458, 274 Cal.Rptr. 712, 720.
    Finally, explore any possible sources of bias or interest. In particular, you should ask about the witness’s relationship with the parties, with your opponent’s counsel, and with the plaintiffs’ or defendants’ bar, and the terms of the witness’s engagement and compensation.

    V. CROSS EXAMINING YOUR OPPONENT’S EXPERT AT TRIAL
    If you intend to try to prevent your opponent’s expert from expressing an opinion, it may be better to do so by means of a motion in limine to try to avoid giving your opponent an excuse to present the witness’s qualifications in exhausting detail and to avoid investing too much time before the jury in an effort that will probably fail. Assuming that the expert is allowed to testify, if your deposition was done properly, your cross examination will be easy, effective, and free of risk. Asking only questions that the witness has already answered in the deposition, you:
    1. Bring out any limitations in the witness’s qualifications and experience.
    2. Elicit any limitations on the witness’s confidence in his opinions and any unbelievable expressions of confidence.
    3. Bring out any limitations on the preparation done and the additional work that the witness has admitted could have rendered his opinions more certain.
    4. Elicit any damaging admissions concerning any issues in the case.
    5. Elicit any assumptions that can be disproved or questioned. Alternatively, elicit the witness’s assertions that no conceivable set of facts could have changed his opinions.
    6. Elicit hypothetical opinions that support your theory. In the alternative, elicit the witness’s assertion that his opinion would be unchanged even in a hypothetical case that obviously cries out for the opposite conclusion.
    7. Bring out any admissions of the expert concerning the qualifications of your expert and the reliability of his sources, tests, and methods.
    8. Save a good question for last.
    A good last question is not an argumentative or conclusory one that will draw a valid objection or give the witness a chance to get the last word. A good question is a question that substantially helps your case, that is put in precisely the same terms as in the deposition, that was answered unequivocally in your favor, and the answer to which cannot be changed now by the witness without massive damage to his credibility. If you get the same answer you got at the deposition, SIT DOWN! If you don’t get the same answer, remind the witness of the deposition, ask him whether he was under oath, ask him whether he was asked the previous question and gave the previous answer, and then sit down.

    VI. REHABILITATING YOUR EXPERT AFTER CROSS-EXAMINATION
    Counsel must make a determination of whether his or her expert needs to be rehabilitated on re-direct examination. When counsel is proceeding before the trier of fact, particularly a jury, counsel can demonstrate significant confidence in the testimony of his or her expert by choosing not to attempt to rehabilitate the expert. Also, attempting to rehabilitate your expert on a point which is not important, or on which his testimony is truly and unavoidably weak, may backfire by simply reinforcing the jury’s perception of the weakness. Where the expert must be rehabilitated, counsel should confine re-direct examination to specific critical areas. The rehabilitation should be precise and efficient. Examining one’s own expert on re-direct can afford your opponent an opportunity to revisit and reinforce your expert’s weakest areas on re-cross if the re-direct examination is not carefully circumscribed.
    ……………………..
    DISCLAIMER: I have entered government service and, as of September 1, 2008, am no longer engaged in the private practice of law. Therefore, this site is no longer being maintained, may not be accurate, and should not be relied upon. It is not now and was not ever intended as legal advice. It is being provided for historical purposes, and for the benefit of those lawyers who are capable of independently verifying the information and judging the opinions in it, and then reaching their own conclusions. You are strongly advised to consult qualified legal counsel before adopting any of the ideas or suggestions in this material, which may or may not be applicable in your jurisdiction or to your specific situation, and may no longer be accurate or prudent in any case. The opinions and statements at this site were solely my own. They were not and are not those of, nor were they nor are they made on behalf of, any agency of government or anyone else.

    Copyright © 1998-2008 Vincent DiCarlo
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  39. Rose says:

    #35 Beverly perhaps you are right but some things continue to nag at me like who took those pictures of Anna and Dr. Khris in the bath tub together in the Bahamas? Could Dr. Khris had seen a friend in deep pain and tried to help as a good Samaritan? Could Dr. Khris had been used by Anna?

    I have more questions then answers and guess the answers will come during the trial…

  40. BEVERLY says:

    ROSE—-I also have several questions,ONE.If I believed she was a good samaritian,WHY? would she orderCH,when Anna was so depressed,this to me makes no sense.To tell you the truth none of what she did makes any sense to me.I am sorry Howard is in the middle.I cannot even think of the bath tub,it makes me ill.I do believe Dr E is a user,and a lot of the meds were for her use also,what I have found people do for a happy sex life,is WAY PAST ME,I have heard to much for this old soul, I will tell you I see God’s hand in this,in the first place,Anna and Howard could not have lived HAPPY EVER AFTER,you cannot live a LIE,Anna and her mother were to much alike,MY WAY OR THE HIGHWAY,She had Dannielynn by Larry,and it was wrong for her to keep him away from his daughter,I am afraid Anna was so mixed up and also got a big head,with money and fame came control of everyone.

  41. Bewildered says:

    :lol: now I understand what all the recipes were about at TMZ!

    Speaking of…great posts there. Nice to read a different perspective. Food for thought.

  42. Liann says:

    I hate saying this but again I am trying to catch up, I just read for the most part the comments from 10/21,

    Rose thanks and thanks to Desertwalker, I will try to re-read or find it, (Thank You)!

    Beth you are awesome and I feel the same way about the heading of that article from 10/21, and I said so, but kudos to you the way you handled someone laughing so hard they are always peeing their pants, To me it sounds if that person can’t keep straight if they are posting at the pit or here and as far as I know all opinions are welcome here without being berated.

    Beth, Sammy1, I miss chatting with you all and I hope all is great with you all and everyone, I hope everyone is well.

    JMA #81 from the 10/21 article, I completely agree! Sounds like a set up to me also.

    Rox, from the 10/21 article, someone sounded a little upset, :lol: , I wonder why she only comes out to pitch a fit now a days? :lol: imo. Rox I hope you get your computer issues worked out asap if you haven’t already. I know that frustration all to well..

    Lian

  43. Liann says:

    I just want to add my opinion about events today, I have read and I don’t have a link right now but alot of Doctors combine and combine meds to find the right combination like in antidepressants or pain management that will benefit the individual, Doctors it is not unheard of at all will try different combinations because not all patients respond the same way because of their individual make-up as humans.

  44. pixiesmom50 says:

    In TMZ I was reading a ignorant comment it said that HS told DE give her and she will die it is so stupid that to think this way I think Anna had problem that why she felt good with the medication she was afraid not to take it I get migraine very bad since I was 12 sometimes i do not get for years and sometimes i get it every day so when it happen i get afraid not to have the next day i take medication so not to get even if i do not have it . when her son died it is to much for her that why she helped her and her tape in the bath tub could jut be friend nothing more

  45. kate says:

    #39 Rose ; who took those pictures? Yes, good question but it just leads to more questions, was the photo shoot in the Bahamas, what day were they taken, whose camera and were they photo-shopped? Photos that have came out since her death, certainly makes a person question if they are authenic, at least to the average sensible public. JMO

  46. kate says:

    I was wondering, re excessive amounts of prescriptions, isn’t it possible the Dr. was trying to think ahead and wanted to have enough on hand instead of ordering all the time,(travelling) like what is the expiry date on pills? Plus re excessive pills taken(from early early reports) is it not possible to dispose of pills that are not working for the patient, or how does anyone know they were not taken by others that surrounded Anna? IMO
    Also the travelling back and forth Bahamas to California by Stern And Dr. E that apparently coincides with prescriptions, what about the bodyguard to and fro Florida, I remember him saying the cost to fly is not that great an expense as he has done it several times, his comments were in reference to Anna’s family, and their complaint the Bahamas was too far(burial comments)
    So that said how many people picked up her prescriptions and delivered them to HER? IMO

  47. Liann says:

    The body is a unique thing. The DOJ can not chart the course of treatment that they think should have been followed because everyone is a individual and there is no standard of treatment requirements for many recognized aliments except that the Doctors had the patients well being in mind and if the patient takes more then the Doctors recommend, imo that is the patients fault not the Doctors. imo

  48. Liann says:

    About those pictures, IMO, I have not paid them much attention, What if they had a relationship??, what if they are innocent taken out of context?? Dose anyone really think that KE was complicit in anyway with Anna’s death??, I Don’t!!!! IMO Anna was needy and maybe KE was also, (Who knows), Are these pictures taken by Moe and was there a three-some maybe that is why he favors K so much, (Hypothetically speaking, Who knows ) If you listen to Rita, Anna wasn’t banging everyone, ( So what imo) Dr. Perper already said that she was not forced to drink the CH and levels of other drugs blah blah were normal , To me all the pictures from the prosecution are tainted and the story about the FBI and MH and wasn’t the clown video coming into court today?

  49. Liann says:

    Opps, If you listen to Rita, My comment #48-correction, Anna was banging everyone, if you listen to Rita,

    IMO all the prosecution case has been is hearsay and not facts why or and on what crimes Howard has been charged with has come out so far?, Thanks TX you must be eating your hats by now and no wonder someone is so defensive or hiding, If this goes to trial imo it will not involve Howard maybe the Doctors but maybe Howard will be called as a witness, Hey, how is NY looking??, Rita is going to trial soon and more imo is going to come out then redacted deops,.

  50. BEVERLY says:

    LIANN—–”If a pt takes more than the doctor recommended” is the problem,also every med you take has a side -effect.This is my hangup.Like Howard said he is not a Doctor,also Anna had a mind of her own,she was not incapacated,Howard was just there to do what he was told,and also he believed Dr E.As a Doctor I do not like her judgement,as a friend I do not like her judgement,but Howard should not be punished for the mistakes of a Doctor.If Anna truly needed a certain med,I am sure the Bahamas have drug stores,and that is where they were planning to live,there was no reason to transport meds.

  51. DiamondGirl says:

    I think the thing with Howard is that drugs were prescribed to him by Dr. E and were intended for Anna. Does this make him an enabler? Well if this was done only after Daniel’s death, then I don’t believe he was. BUT if this was done for years prior to Daniel’s death, then I would think he did enable Anna. Not to the point that any doctor did though. I also think it is bullshit if someone takes a message from a doctor/pharmacist (which by the way, if that message is detailed, is illegal to begin with) that a charge was forth coming to Stern. Whether they have the goods on Kapoor, even that doesn’t sound like it. I wonder how the people of CA feel about seeing their broke state continue this farce of a case against at least one defendant? I was glad to see the news was finally released that JB is indeed running for governor again. My oh my, how that was so denied months ago by many of the VAS supporters.

  52. Rose says:

    LIann, Kate and Beverly
    All great points and some I want to comment on.

    1. Getting the right meds… I know when any of my meds are changed especially pain meds or other ones I am on so many. They have to first see which will interact with which ones and how. Then they plug them all into something that looks like a blackberry and then put in the conditions I have especially the liver one because everything is filtered through the liver. Then they have to take all of that and weigh the benefits, the potential side effects and which one will fit all of that and do the least amount of harm to the liver. I have had doctors sit there for 20 mins and look frustrated as they tried one after another med until they get the best fit.

    2. If I have to change meds which I just had to change on in Sept. even though I refuse at this point to take any opiates or anything considered to me a narcotic (yea I am very proactive in my medical treatment), in the last one they put me on one and slowly told me to wean off of the other at the same time from 3 pills to 2 pills for a week to 10 days and then one pill for the next seven to ten days while the new med was reaching the maintenance level they wanted.

    3. WE Never throw away any of my old meds or even the prescription bottles for fear of someone getting hold of something or identity theft or just wanting to know too much about what is going on with me. So yea I have some meds I no longer use but are still in the bottles and the cabinet.

    4. I have to work very closely with my doctors and never go more than 3 months without an appointment with one of them, who then does all of the blood work and sends it to the rest of the doctors, and again one may have to fax another to brain storm. This pain med “team” is a fantasy to that California expert, it is a lot of faxing and putting numbers in to that blackberry thing and seeing what they think might work next.

    5. I have heard the Bahamas are very limited in what they have available on the Islands not in hospitals but in drug stores and that the meds for the most part are shipped in from South America, perhaps ANS wanted her meds to come from the U. S. ???

    I have yet seen a case of hurting ANS or anyway a conspiracy to hurt her and I see a LOT of tax dollars being spent that could be used in other ways IMO.

  53. Bewildered says:

    I would assume Dr E could not practice in the Bahamas and not have scripts filled?

    I wondered too who had taken the pic. From reading the convo between HS and Swims, Santiago? was the one who had the pic in the search warrent and Radar Online, posted the files on their site. Another question…who made money from sending the fax and letter to TMZ?

  54. susieq2 says:

    Liann- I will rspond either here or next thread….

  55. Beth says:

    repost
    ~~~~

    “Yes; prosecution presents a case that has no witnesses nor evidence that supports their charges but they think the Judge needs to know the sex angle that ‘wink, wink’ makes it ‘clear’ some crime occurred – sick & twisted thinking by an agent of the government – very dangerous to the greater good.

    Plus, it’s public knowledge how sex allegations have fared before in the ANS saga.

    Cosby needs to sell her book and comes up with (with malice aforethought) a fabricated sex story designed to offend and outrage people – then cries when sued that ‘gay is OK’ and nobody cares anymore. Off to trial she goes.

    Opri files mounds of paperwork telling the Court LB is gay and thus depraved and therefore she should win (same source material she provided Cosby earlier). Court sends her to trial; settlement happens 2 weeks before the process of starting the trial happens.

    The Bahamas tosses VA along with her and O’Q’s fabricated sex allegations (clearly not fit to have custody with a mind like that); ‘conspiracy’ crap spews from the TX cabal ever after about how other people besides VA lost her custody battle for her.

    It’s a recurrent sign of desperation from all these people who have insinuated themselves into the private affairs of ANS, HKS, LB and DL for their own profit and fame.

    Posted at 11:01PM on Oct 26th 2009 by Only swim in the Ocean”

  56. BEVERLY says:

    ROSE—I know I am harping on this,but Dr E had to know Anna was a pt that had attempted suicide,and that was what she was supposed to be there for Anna depression upon Daniel death.WHY? IN GOD’S name would you give CH to someone who wanted to copy MM.I am bothered because no one has heard from Anna’s OB/GYN doctor.I said I do not understand any of Anna’s medical treatment., Methadone was supposed to be used to wean pt’s off of hard drugs,but Anna was getting the hard drugs plus methadone. In the end,Anna,had the right to question Dr Kapoor and Dr E as to her meds,Howard could not,

  57. JMA says:

    Wanna wish a Happy B-Day to Roxanne; hope it’s a good one.

  58. Beth says:

    Morning,
    Yes, I want to wish a VERY HAPPY BIRTHDAY to Miss ROXANNE!
    Many more happy ones to come too!

    =============================================

    http://www.dailymail.com/ap/ApTopStories/200910270149

    “Tuesday October 27, 2009
    Prosecutors lose bid to show Smith photos in court”

    LINDA DEUTSCH
    AP Special Correspondent

  59. BEVERLY says:

    ROXANNE—-HAPPY BIRTHDAY

  60. Bewildered says:

    Have you ever at times, lost your faith in the human race? I know some are not cut from the same cloth, but sometimes, it makes you wonder.

    Have a great day Rox!

  61. Sammy1 says:

    Happy Birthday Rox. Enjoy your day.

  62. DesertWalker says:

    Have a great day celebrating, Roxanne. (Are you wishing for a new computer? LOL)

  63. DesertWalker says:

    The two biggest problem about all of us trying to understand ANS medical care are that we don’t have all her medical documents and we’re not doctors. Any judgments we come to are pure speculation. Frustrating but true.

  64. Roxanne says:

    Thanks alot ladies. it’s raining but I love the rain. Still sunshine would be a little better. :)

  65. Rose says:

    So Rox how old are you??? :)

  66. JMA says:

    Rose [65] oh no you didn’t just ask that :lol:

  67. Roxanne says:

    I don’t care about telling people. I’m 37 today.

  68. JMA says:

    Roxanne [67] you go girl most women won’t tell their age.

  69. Rose says:

    Of course I did… :roll:

  70. Bewildered says:

    DWalker…that’s how I see it to. And that’s why I’m hoping if it goes to trial, that those answers will be forthcoming.

  71. Beth says:

    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_ANNA_NICOLE_SMITH?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2009-10-19-05-31-25

    “Expert: Smith doctor excessively prescribed drugs”

    Oct 27, 2:19 PM EDT
    By LINDA DEUTSCH
    AP Special Correspondent

    “Dr. James Gagne testified Tuesday in Los Angeles ..”

  72. Beth says:

    Liann,
    Hope you have been well! We do miss talking to you on Sundays!
    ==================================================================
    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/specials/interactives/_entertainment/anna_nicole/index.html?
    AP Anna Nicole Smith Timeline (1 of 9)
    9 seperate short entries on ANS.

    LOL :D > Now, I should have tried that for the TIMELINE on the old forum! ;)
    Trying to add every move by the TX team and all of the case events was too much…

  73. Lizzie says:

    What is this all about?

    300. South Carolina District Court

    Doc. #77 Filed & Entered: 10/27/2009 Motion toAmend/Correct

    Docket Text: MOTION to Amend/Correct [1] Complaint, by Howard K Stern. Response to Motion due by 11/16/2009 (Attachments: # (1) Memo in Support, # (2) Exhibit Exhibts A – F)No proposed orderMotions referred to Thomas E Rogers, III.(Nettles, Louis)

    Posted at 5:19PM on Oct 27th 2009 by Howard Supporter

    Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2009/10/16/larry-birkhead-anna-nicole-smith-howard-k-stern-drugs-sandeep-kapoor-khristine-eroshevich/20#comments#ixzz0VAsoMP2V

  74. heath says:

    Happy Birthday Rox :)

    Just logged in and it is early morning…any news yet?

  75. hmm says:

    Happy Birthday Rox,Hope you have or should say had a good day.

  76. susieq2 says:

    Happy Birthday Roxanne and many more.

  77. Beth says:

    *** Rose, are you going to be getting these new docs? TIA

    > The one that H.S. talks about in post #73 [this page] > (a repost) of the doc info…
    and comments below in the other (2) reposts regarding comments regarding said documents.
    =========
    (2) re-posts
    ~~~~~~~~~
    “302. They are adding Susan Brown and her Law Firm. A whole bunch of exhibits and stuff I haven’t bought yet.
    This is the main document

    Through discovery, the Executor has learned additional facts that support the claims set
    forth in the Complaint. For example, the Executor has learned of additional conversions of Estate

    2
    property, such as Ford Shelley’s distribution of Estate property to Geraldo Rivera and the
    California Department of Justice. Moreover, the Executor has learned the true identities of the
    Doe Defendants. Accordingly, this Court should grant the Executor leave to amend his
    Complaint pursuant to Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 15(a)(2).
    Posted at 5:24PM on Oct 27th 2009 by Howard Supporter”
    ~~
    “303. there are a slew of docs with this–exhibits, etc.
    Adding Susan Brown and her Law Firm

    Through discovery, the Executor has learned additional facts that support the claims set
    forth in the Complaint. For example, the Executor has learned of additional conversions of Estate
    property, such as Ford Shelley’s distribution of Estate property to Geraldo Rivera and the
    California Department of Justice. Moreover, the Executor has learned the true identities of the
    Doe Defendants. Accordingly, this Court should grant the Executor leave to amend his
    Complaint pursuant to Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 15(a)(2).
    Posted at 5:26PM on Oct 27th 2009 by Howard Supporter”

  78. Sammy1 says:

    Rose, Beth, Liann and Heath – Please continue to check your email for a present. At the moment, going through virus check.

  79. Beth says:

    Sammy!
    How very sweet of you!
    THANK YOU!

    Just came on, as had trouble w/ this Compaq laptop…
    You mentioned doing a virus check… Well something got a hold of this sucker!
    The 4 Restore disks wouldn’t even work. So I reformatted it w/ the Windows disk and
    am running on just it! LOL I downloaded the Service packs, Windows Defender, and
    then I put the newest Norton Anti Virus on this sucker!
    When I was done, it took an hour > I just said outl oud to the dang thing;
    ‘There! Now try and not work!’ :D:

    Thanks again… for the present!
    ========================
    trina, stated very well!
    O’Quinn Law Firm added as a third party… What a ‘BRILLIANT IDEA’ ;)

    Yes, besides being criminal, the CA/DA/DOJ > DID NOT have a legal chain of evidence on some of those items…
    They will NOT be allowed into any Court, or they should not be allowed to anyway.
    I have lost a lot of my faith in this Justice System of ours.

    Night everyone.

  80. Beth says:

    ** I am in SPAM **

    Thanks, Sammy!

  81. DesertWalker says:

    Here Beth … let me pass you the mayonnaise then. *lol*

  82. Liann says:

    Beverly #50, I completely agree, Thanks.

    Rose #52,Excellent Points!

    #54, WHATEVER. You go ahead– I won’t again, and please don’t wait for a apology from me.

    Happy Birthday Rox!!! I think you must be the youngest member here and one of the wisest!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7QxOllK0VU&NR=1

  83. heath says:

    Thankyou Sammy….I just got home from a busy day shopping and getting my hair done…so I will when I catch up around here make a cuppa and browse.

    Bet this will be fun to read.. :)

  84. heath says:

    Rox isn’t the youngest, I am, at a mere 21 and a ……..bit…………….(really big bit but who is counting ;)

  85. DesertWalker says:

    [Beth #88] Add that McCabe/OQ stating to the Court (and so enthusiastically spread around the Internet by their trusty bloggers) that VA’s brain embolism has caused impairment and the Court could find the whole Marshall money directed TX cabal and it’s proponents are in conflict with VA’s best interests and they will all be “expelling” THEIR gold bricks.

  86. Beth says:

    [90] DW, Yep! There’s that too! ;)

    [82] I love MAYO! :)

    Have a great day everyone.

  87. Roxanne says:

    Awwww….. I’m the baby of the family. Hot damn. Maybe I can get away with all the crap my baby sister gets away with now. I’m so glad to finally be the baby of family somewhere. LOL

  88. Roxanne says:

    OK whoever is shitting gold bricks send them my way please. Gold is at a grand and oz. right now.

  89. Bewildered says:

    That was a great post Beth. “Permenently damaged the estate” Which is supposed to support Dannilynn for years to come. Not only the monetary value of the estate but the degrading aspect that happened. And now has ended in a courtroom to further show Anna’s flaws. Those years of “why didn’t they get her to rehab”? Rehab only works for those that are willing to quit. Testimony shows she wasn’t ready. If not for Daniel’s passing, I think in time she would of been able to.

    The worst part of the SC case, is the ones that also ought to be held accountable. The ones that perpetuated the lies. And now I see why Opri’s cases are done. So many, too numerous to count, got involved with the witchhunt. And yes, so many innocent people, that only shared an opinion or wanted more info, hurt in the process. I hope for restitution for those harmed. And just because I can be vindictive at times, :lol: glaring lights…cameras flashing…headlines …faces covered as they walk into courtooms…the same treatment that an innocent child will someday have to make peace with.

  90. BEVERLY says:

    MY OPINION—–Anna was NOT ready for rehab because she had unresolved issues,That is another reason my hatred toward Vergie Arthur,As a police officer Vergie could have used her position to help her daughter,in all the early years Vergie did nothing as a positive step to help Anna.Nothing for a child crying out for love and understanding.There are plenty of Anna’s friends including King Eric wife,that will tell you over and over,Anna wanted a mother.That is what Dr E should have been doing,not giving med for a medical condition,and sure as hell not giving Anna the one means to do what she did,Vergie made sure,Anna would always fail rehab,by jabbing at her daughter every change she got,just like she is jabbing at Larry,

  91. Rose says:

    Ok I have just began to read the documents. Ken was out of town for a week due to a serious family medical emergency and just got back yesterday afternoon. So of course I did not read the blog or any documents.

    However we are both back starting today, I will put up the relevant documents that are not duplicates filed by LW in regards to Susan Brown’s deposition and we have something to discuss. I am also trying to get the new estimated date for the Preliminary hearing to wrap up, I would think by Friday…

    So welcome home Ken, you were dearly missed…. :)

  92. Roxanne says:

    I didn’t miss him. hehe

  93. susieq2 says:

    Me either :lol: I figured he was busy trying to keep some people happy. I remember in the good ole days how exciting it was to see a new article. I do like to know what swims and Howad Supporters take is and what the latest things have been released. I bet it is helpful to them to get a heads up because they ae so busy. However I think it is rude to ask if Rose will put them up like she would not with there asking . jmho

  94. heath says:

    Welcome back Ken..

    We did a good job covering I think if no one knew, hehehe.

    I kept the spam to a minimum so the catering bill should be lower :)

  95. susieq2 says:

    Question: Ever notice how HS loves to call this a gossip site.?
    Mums the word…

  96. susieq2 says:

    Heath you are my kind of woman… How about a date?

  97. Rose says:

    There are new papers out in S. C. that I am downloading now that were filed today and have more files to it then what was filed yesterday

  98. susieq2 says:

    I am a doctor and a lawyer and an Indian chief.

    Great minds think alike.

  99. Roxanne says:

    My head hurts. :)

  100. BEVERLY says:

    I did miss Ken and JMA and others fooling around in the evening,sometime if I cannot sleep I read the comments on the computer,it is enjoyable to read good fun going back and forth.

  101. susieq2 says:

    Hey Bev, what is topamate for?

  102. BEVERLY says:

    susieq2—–What the hell is topamate?

  103. Rose says:

    It appears that one of the prosecution experts has retracted some of the testimony they previously gave in the preliminary hearing

    http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_13658265?nclick_check=1

  104. susieq2 says:

    Glad ya asked. LOL I believe it was one of Anna’s DRUGS!

  105. Rose says:

    I will be putting up the news papers as I go through them today.

    Oh and Beth I would appreciate not helping Teresa Stephens by bloggers here with her lawsuit as we all thought that might be helpful to her… REASON Teresa has added me as a co-conspirator with einy, kerry, etc. to invade her privacy… This is funny except there is no way to recover any real losses from Stephens until the First COA rules on the Objection to her indigency claim, and to think I respected her right to privacy enough I would not put it up on this site even though it was a public record on the Harris County site…

    Another proof that no good deed goes unpunished… :roll:

  106. susieq2 says:

    111. HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHEEEEEEEE!

  107. Roxanne says:

    My mother took Topamax. Is that what you are talking about?

  108. Roxanne says:

    Rose
    HUH? Doesn’t she own some site that she puts all her own papers up on? I do remember her posting on this site with her full name, address, phone number etc…. How did you invade her privacy? She is saying that you are buddies with Einy and Kerry and that you all conspired against her? I’m not getting it right now. Guess I will have to see the papers when you put them up.

  109. Roxanne says:

    Susieq
    You ok sweetie? lol :)

  110. Bewildered says:

    Hope that things worked out for your family Ken.

    Looking forward to the docs and the new additions.

  111. DesertWalker says:

    Topamate is an antiepileptic drug, prescribed to control both the mild attacks known as partial seizures and the severe tonic-clonic convulsions known as grand mal seizures. It is typically added to the treatment regimen when other drugs fail to fully control a patient’s attacks.

    Topamate is also prescribed for the prevention of migraine headaches (also known as prophylactic treatment). However, due to a lack of studies, it’s not known whether the drug can treat acute migraine attacks.

    Most important fact about Topamate:

    Do not abruptly stop taking Topamate. If the drug isn’t withdrawn gradually, the frequency of your seizures could increase.

  112. DesertWalker says:

    [Rose#110] I couldn’t get that link to work for me but I found thi on another site. Perhaps it’s the same?

    An expert in pain management, who testified Tuesday in the Anna Nicole Smith drug case that the late star’s former doctor excessively prescribed her multiple opiates, is now retracting part of his testimony, says a new report.

    The Associated Press reports that Dr. James Gagne on Wednesday withdrew part of his testimony that Dr. Sandeep Kapoor significantly increased the dosage of Smith’s methadone doses, although he continued to testify that Dr. Kapoor gave the star excessive dosages of sedatives and opiates.

    Dr. Gagne, a witness for the prosecution, said that the methadone doses were not a significant issue in the case and said he was misled by reports, according to the AP.

    Dr. Gagne’s testimony was part of a preliminary hearing set to determine if Dr. Kapoor and two others should be tried for allegedly supplying Smith with drugs illegally. All three defendants have pleaded not guilty.

  113. DesertWalker says:

    Isn’t is embarrassing when you’re misled.

  114. DesertWalker says:

    Witness: Doctor had hidden records on Smith

    By LINDA DEUTSCH (AP) – 25 minutes ago

    LOS ANGELES — A witness says a doctor accused of conspiracy in Anna Nicole Smith’s treatment with drugs kept a hidden stash of medical records on her in his home closet.

    In unexpected testimony, Jon Genens, an investigator for the state medical board, said Wednesday a search warrant also uncovered files being kept at the office of Dr. Sandeep Kapoor’s attorney.

    Genens says the two sets of files were for the same dates but contained slightly different information.

    Judge Robert J. Perry says the secreting of information at the house could be interpreted as “guilty knowledge.” He did not elaborate during the preliminary hearing.

    Kapoor and two other defendants are charged with illegally funneling prescription drugs to Smith. All have pleaded not guilty.

    THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. Check back soon for further information. AP’s earlier story is below.

    LOS ANGELES (AP) — An expert witness withdrew testimony Wednesday about one of Anna Nicole Smith’s doctors massively increasing her methadone doses, but he still maintained the doctor’s actions fed her drug addiction.

    Dr. James Gagne, testifying at a preliminary hearing, said he misunderstood records kept by Dr. Sandeep Kapoor and now believes the methadone prescriptions were not a major issue in the drug case against Kapoor and two other defendants.

    However, Gagne stood by earlier testimony that Kapoor gave Smith excessive dosages of opiates and sedatives.

    “She was an expert at manipulating physicians into giving her the drugs she craved,” Gagne said.

    Kapoor, Dr. Kristine Eroshevich and Smith’s boyfriend-lawyer Howard K. Stern are charged with illegally funneling drugs to Smith, who died of an accidental overdose in 2007. All have pleaded not guilty.

    In cross examination, Kapoor’s attorney Ellyn Garofalo pointed to records of a jet ski accident in which Smith fractured two ribs and suggested she was suffering from extreme pain when Kapoor prescribed a powerful opiate to her.

    Gagne said the amount of drugs prescribed by Kapoor was not appropriate for that injury. The pain from the fractured ribs would have lasted up to two weeks, but the prescriptions for the opiate Dilaudid and methadone lasted five months, he said.

    He said Kapoor did not visit Smith enough during the period he was prescribing for her, and the sedatives she received could have pushed her into acute psychiatric distress.

    Superior Court Judge Robert J. Perry urged the prosecution to limit further examination and try to end the preliminary hearing, which has lasted three weeks and will determine whether the defendants should stand trial.

  115. Bewildered says:

    Totally O/T but….a long time ago I commented on how weird it was that ‘reply buttons’ and ‘judge it icons’ on Topix were highlighted as I browsed and read there. Then it stopped and everything on the pages went back to normal. Only read there, never posted or hit any post to judge it. Weird.

    Well now there’s an ad on the page for a hotel in Kansas City being highlighted like I’ve clicked the link. Oh…and another on how to get white teeth :lol: Anyone know anyone taking a trip to Kansas City soon? Is there a gathering of the minds I ought to be aware of? :lol:

    Just who would be playing behind the scenes with my IP? Someone on Topix mentioned a while back that her computer guru said it was possible. Weird.

  116. BEVERLY says:

    SUSIEQ E—-Thank you,there are meds and a whole lot of different procedures,I have not kept up with,I left Nursing in 1985.and to be honest I have not kept up.and I still say,that was out of Dr E field.I was just watching the HLN news station and they are talking about the flu.and I can remember when we could NEVER leave the hospital with our uniforms on or shoes,we had to change before going home.I SEE NURSES ,DOCTORS, LAB WORKERS , going in and out of stores,food shopping in uniform and then going home,Lord do I get upset.Guess who is spreading germs.

  117. Rose says:

    Desert Walker yes to #120 it is the same article…

    and great find on 121 and 122… another lawyer hiding documents… what is our justice system coming to???

  118. susieq2 says:

    DW- What else? Yes it is? Please tell us more….timing is everything

    Rox, I’m fine…I been looking forward to this, I think I’ll change my nic to Suzyella

  119. BEVERLY says:

    ROSE—-No one told TS,to post her comments on any site,FREE WILL. and no one invaded her privacy,She is the one that kept up posting and making commentsIf YOU DO SOMETHING YOURSELF,without someone forcing you,you have no on to blame but yourself,I remember why back,I had mention to TS to keep off the computer,she did not and got more belergent.with her comments.

  120. Rose says:

    October 13, 2009 The Fifth Amended Order setting new deadlines for filing Motions, Responses, etc. and setting a new jury trial date.

    http://www.rosespeaks.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&op=getit&lid=2602

  121. Rose says:

    October 27, 2008 The Estate of Anna Nicole Smith filing a Motion for Leave (permission) to add additional defendants to the existing lawsuit against G. Ben Thompson and Ford Shelley

    http://www.rosespeaks.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&op=getit&lid=2603

  122. susieq2 says:

    I think I’m allowed to stay up 36 hrs before I call my DR. E.

    Psychotherapy is wonderful thing, kept me out of hospital many of time. Of course I had to travel 60+miles, one way.
    Group therapy…can be quite funny…I’ll tell ya a funny story some time.
    Sexual abused woman group helped me so much.
    Did you know some women can’t reach an orgam because they want to control everything?
    Some go the opposite. I about fell out of my chair at the last class when some young girl studying in seminary revealed she abused young children,
    …..
    Chloral hydrate is indicated for nocturnal sedation in all types of patients and especially for the ill, the young, and the elderly patient.
    In candidates for surgery, it is a satisfactory preoperative sedative that allays anxiety and induces sleep without depressing respiration or cough reflex. In postoperative care and control of pain, it is a valuable adjunct to opiates and analgesics.
    http://www.rxlist.com/noctec-drug.htm

  123. Rose says:

    #126 Yea Beverly I have emails of which I asked her to quit posting on TMZ and keeping those ppl “riled up” or to post here under a different moniker and quit as a moderator because frankly I did not want that trash connected to this site… she became angry incensed saying no one could tell what to do and of course chose TMZ over Rose Speaks… go figure…

    I am still stunned that she lumped me in with all of those ppl who hate me on “T” the sandpit as a conspirator with them… HUH????

    I had wondered why she kept sending me emails asking me not only for help with her filings in Harris County which I was more then happy to do but then in about Sept. she began to email me and asked me to email her filings from Harris County WITHOUT the Rose Speaks.com watermark on it as she could not use that in her “filing”… I thought at the time that was odd because she had filed a lot of things and documents from this site with the water mark on other filings…

  124. Rose says:

    October 27, 2008 Exhibit A the Subpoena Duces Tecum issued to Susan Brown in lawsuit of The Estate of Anna Nicole Smith filing a Motion for Leave (permission) to add additional defendants to the existing lawsuit against G. Ben Thompson and Ford Shelley

    http://www.rosespeaks.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&op=getit&lid=2604

  125. susieq2 says:

    Couples Marriage Group-So funny…My husband just sat their like he didn’t hear a thing..I am sure I embarrased the other couples…my Dr E. never lost her composure.
    when I said so many things like I was so glad she had planted that seed tha tmasturbation was ok anf I told her it was against catholic church teachings and my mother’s.I felt better after she told me 95% of the people do it. I knew my hubby loved me..he lived to mow grass,,,,and I said I wish the MF would mow my grass.

  126. Rose says:

    October 27, 2008 Exhibit B letter from Luke Lantta to Susan Brown stating that the deposition of Susan Brown would go forward on June 24 and asking if she had received back all of the computer data and other documents she had sent to the O’Quinn Law Firm in lawsuit of The Estate of Anna Nicole Smith filing a Motion for Leave (permission) to add additional defendants to the existing lawsuit against G. Ben Thompson and Ford Shelley

    http://www.rosespeaks.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&op=getit&lid=2605

  127. Roxanne says:

    125
    Susieq
    Ok guess I’m just not gettin it. :(

  128. Roxanne says:

    Ok what the hell is the deal?

  129. susieq2 says:

    Are we having a therapy session?

    I am only going tell y’all how I feel one time..
    I gotta go take my mom’s meds over.
    Don’t wait on me… It may take a while.

  130. JMA says:

    Roxanne [97] kinda hard not to treat him as the red headed stepchild isn’t it. Sorry Ken I had to go there he-he.

  131. Rose says:

    October 27, 2009 The Estate of Anna Nicole Smith filing a Brief to Support the Motion for Leave (permission) to add additional defendants to the existing lawsuit against G. Ben Thompson and Ford Shelley

    http://www.rosespeaks.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&op=getit&lid=2606

  132. Roxanne says:

    Susieq
    I’m not even gonna pretend I know what the hell you are talking about. I’m so damn confused right now.

  133. JMA says:

    Beverly [106] awe you are sweet ;-) happy we could entertain you on your sleepless nights.

  134. Rose says:

    October 27, 2009 Exhibit A Brown’s Memorandum of Law to Support Motion to Quash the Subpoena Duces Tecum in The Estate of Anna Nicole Smith filing a Brief to Support the Motion for Leave (permission) to add additional defendants to the existing lawsuit against G. Ben Thompson and Ford Shelley

    http://www.rosespeaks.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&op=getit&lid=2607

  135. Rose says:

    October 27, 2009 Exhibit B Excerpts in the Gaither B. Thompson II Deposition The Estate of Anna Nicole Smith filing a Brief to Support the Motion for Leave (permission) to add additional defendants to the existing lawsuit against G. Ben Thompson and Ford Shelley

    http://www.rosespeaks.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&op=getit&lid=2608

  136. Beth says:

    ** NEW DOCS IN THE TX STATE CASE (VA)

    [112] ??? I DO NOT KNOW WHY THAT IS ADDRESSED TO ME.
    NO WORRIES THOUGH, IT IS THE FIRST I HEARD ABOUT THAT.
    HAVE A FEELING THAT ‘ALL’ TX CASES ARE GOING NO WHERE FAST.
    I WOULDN’T LOSE ANY SLEEP OVER IT! ;)

    *WB Ken! HOPE EVERYTHING WILL BE ALRIGHT W/ YOUR FAMILY.

  137. Rose says:

    October 27, 2009 Exhibit C, E, F Excerpts in the in Gina Shelley and two different excerpts on Ford Shelley’s Deposition The Estate of Anna Nicole Smith filing a Brief to Support the Motion for Leave (permission) to add additional defendants to the existing lawsuit against G. Ben Thompson and Ford Shelley

    http://www.rosespeaks.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&op=getit&lid=2609

    This is the last of the documents from Oct. 28 next will be some additional documents filed today by LW

  138. Rose says:

    Ooooooooopsssssss here is the last one and the best one filed yesterday..

    October 27, 2009 Exhibit D Excerpts from Susan Brown’s Deposition The Estate of Anna Nicole Smith filing a Brief to Support the Motion for Leave (permission) to add additional defendants to the existing lawsuit against G. Ben Thompson and Ford Shelley

    http://www.rosespeaks.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&op=getit&lid=2610

  139. Rose says:

    October 28, 2009 Proposed First Amended Complaint to be filed when the Court gives Leave (permission) to add additional defendants to the existing lawsuit against G. Ben Thompson and Ford Shelley

    http://www.rosespeaks.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&op=getit&lid=2611

  140. Rose says:

    October 28, 2009 Exhibit C the Restraining Order issued against G. Ben Thompson in the Bahamas filed with the Proposed First Amended Complaint to be filed when the Court gives Leave (permission) to add additional defendants to the existing lawsuit against G. Ben Thompson and Ford Shelley

    http://www.rosespeaks.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&op=getit&lid=2612

  141. Rose says:

    October 28, 2009 Exhibit F letter from Susan Brown dated September 25, 2009 to Neil McCabe stating that Ben Thompson no longer wanted to be part of the Joint Defense Agreement filed and asking for the hard drives and all other material to be return to her filed with the Proposed First Amended Complaint to be filed when the Court gives Leave (permission) to add additional defendants to the existing lawsuit against G. Ben Thompson and Ford Shelley

    http://www.rosespeaks.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&op=getit&lid=2613

  142. Rose says:

    October 28, 2009 Exhibit H emails between Larry Birkhead and Ford Shelley about the Estate’s property filed with the Proposed First Amended Complaint to be filed when the Court gives Leave (permission) to add additional defendants to the existing lawsuit against G. Ben Thompson and Ford Shelley

    http://www.rosespeaks.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&op=getit&lid=2614

  143. Rose says:

    October 28, 2009 Emails between Luke Lantta and Susan McDonald where she consented on behalf of her clients for The Estate of Anna Nicole Smith filing a Motion for Leave (permission) to add additional defendants to the existing lawsuit against G. Ben Thompson and Ford Shelley

    http://www.rosespeaks.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&op=getit&lid=2615

    Last one and I will put up a new thread for discussion with just the documents listed for now.

  144. Rose says:

    #144 Beth I was just thinking about a post a few days ago where we all thought it would be fun and could help TS in her lawsuit in Tarrant County if we pitched in and helped her since she had so much courage to stand up to mega lawyers and law firms.

    Now that I have been added to the Tarrant County Suit for 1. Disclosure of Private Facts; 2. Interception of Communications; 3. Intrusion of Seclusion (I am going to have to look that up to see what it means) and 4 Conspiracy of Invasion of Privacy with the “T” group, I want be offering all of the help I have given TS over the last 1+ years in filings and doucments.. I feel a tad betrayed by her because none of you know how much I have helped her with her filings providing papers free, putting them in the order she needed them etc. to now get added as a friend of einy, kerry, whack o mole, etc… It is hard to even get your head around some of the outlandish claims made in this Amended Complaint filed by TS in Tarrant County. Thank God I documented everything I have ever helped her with with a paper and phone trail…. :(

  145. Bewildered says:

    Ooops….should of known…I am kinda hungry…anyone have any eggs and toast?

  146. Ken says:

    you weren’t in spam, you were just in the ‘waiting’ pool. They serve cocktails there. :lol:

  147. Bewildered says:

    That’s OK…how about a green tea instead? Over cracked ice please :lol:

  148. Rose says:

    THE COMMENTS TO THIS SECTION IS NOW CLOSED IF THERE ARE COMMENTS THAT DISCUSS THE S. C. FILINGS FROM YESTERDAY AND TODAY THEY WILL BE MOVED TO THE NEW ARTICLE.

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