Charles “Chip” Babcock Gets the Case He Dreamt of, Defending a Blogger in a Defamation Case!
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No it is not Art Harris the blogger. When I talked to Charles “Chip” Babcock in February 2009 we briefly discussed an article he had written in November 2007 about bloggers and lawsuits. In that article he had mused wouldn’t it be interesting if a blogger had the money to defend them self in a defamation suit. We talked about as more and more print media folded in this economy, and Mr. Babcock agreed, that more people were turning to the internet for news, whether a traditional media turned internet as, the Houston Chronicle, or “BLOGS”. I had mentioned to Mr. Babcock about him musing in November 2007 about what if a blogger had the money to fight a defamation case and if so would it change the rules and responsibility of blogs and their owners and/or protect other blogs under the First Amendment. I left there telling Mr. Babcock that my wish was that one day there was a blogger rich enough to hire him and fight a defamation case all the way. He smiled and just nodded not saying really anything.
Little did I know he was already representing a blogger in a defamation case right here in my home county, Smith County Texas, in the Tyler Federal Court in a federal suit about defamation from a blogger. That case went to a jury trial this past Monday, September 14. Mr. Babcock has received his wish, a blogger case that will go to a federal jury finally and all bloggers are watching it intently, including me. In fact I wish we had someone who could go to Tyler each day sit in the gallery and take notes so we could have real time reporting, but sadly that is not the case.
However other bloggers have picked up the case and are following it intently, like “The Prior Art: One reporter’s notes on the IP, [Intellectual Property] beat”.
The “professional” blogging community is watching this case as it will probably set standards by which other bloggers might rely on in Texas.
The background, an East Texas Trademark and Patent attorney, sued the blog called “Patent Troll Tracker”. Patent Troll Tracker, was a blog popular with IP lawyers and others interested in reports on companies that allegedly buy patents simply to bring infringement suits,” per the Texas Lawyer.
The statements being sued over are ones made by the “Troll Tracker” on October 17 and 18, 2007. The October 17, 2007 blog entry states in part beginning with the headline of “Troll Jumps the Gun, Sues Cisco Too Early,” no one can read the edited post because the Patent Troll Tracker has been set to “open to invited readers only”.
However, I regress. The post listed in part by The Prior Art, although showing 08 while the Texas Lawyer and dates in the court filings show 07 and in subsequent articles by The Prior Act does list the posts as October 2007. The posts that caused the uproar went like this:
The 10/17/07 Troll Tracker post begins:
“Well, I knew the day would come. I’m getting my troll news from Dennis Crouch now. According to Dennis, a company called ESN sued Cisco for patent infringement on October 15th, while the patent did not issue until October 16th. I looked, and ESN appears to be a shell entity managed by the President and CEO of DirectAdvice, an online financial website. And, yes, he’s a lawyer. He clerked for a federal judge in Connecticut, and was an attorney at Day, Berry & Howard. Now he’s suing Cisco on behalf of a non-practicing entity.
I asked myself, can ESN do this? I would think that the court would lack subject matter jurisdiction, since ESN owned no property right at the time of the lawsuit, and the passage of time should not cure that. And, in fact, I was right:”
The Troll Tracker goes on to say on October 17, 2007:
“One other interesting tidbit: Cisco appeared to pick up on this, very quickly. Cisco filed a declaratory judgment action (in Connecticut) yesterday, the day after ESN filed its null complaint. Since Cisco’s lawsuit was filed after the patent issued, it should stick in Connecticut.
Perhaps realizing their fatal flaw (as a couple of other bloggers/news items have pointed out), ESN (represented by Chicago firm McAndrews Held & Malloy and local counsel Eric Albritton and T. Johnny Ward) filed an amended complaint in Texarkana today – amending to change absolutely nothing at all, by the way, except the filing date of the complaint. Survey says? XXXXXX (insert “Family Feud” sound here). Sorry, ESN. You’re on your way to New Haven. Wonder how Johnny Ward will play there?”
On October 18, 2007 Troll Tracker went on to post in part; “…This is yet another example of the abusive nature of litigating patent cases in the Banana Republic of East Texas”.
That post was the equal in blog land of the shot heard around the world for Legal bloggers writing about intellectual property matters. It also caught our attention since Ken and I are blog owners now embroiled in a defamation suit about blogging. We both met Mr. Babcock during my discussion with him on February 8, 2009 about what if a blogger ever had the money to fight a suit, was blogging the new news media since bloggers can get things out to the world via the internet instantly.
The lawsuit expected to last two weeks has brought in the big hired gun media expert litigator and very expensive lawyer, Charles “Chip” Babcock of Oprah Winfrey fame, along with other lawyers as back up from the firm of Jackson Walker, where Mr. Babcock is a partner out of the Houston, Texas office.
Back to the jury trial now underway in the Tyler Texas federal court, not to be deterred lawyers Johnny Ward Jr. and Eric Albritton ,of East Texas decided to try and find the anonymous poster called Troll Tracker and if the blog owner had money, sue them.
How does a blog owner afford to hire the likes of Charles “Chip” Babcock and a full federal jury trial in East Texas where the first attorney up for trial, Mr. Albritton sued the blog owner, you ask?
Well Troll Tracker in March 2008 unmasked himself as Richard Frenkel, once Johnny Ward Jr. and Mr. Allbritton had the name they went to work and was ready to file, Mr. Albritton filed his defamation suit on June 16, 2008. Why did a successful east Texas lawyer sue a blogger? Well the blog owner ended up being Richard Frenkel whom filed his Answer on June 25, 2008 and “was” an in house attorney for Cisco System Inc. which also filed their Answer on June 25. Mr. Eric Albritton in court papers alleges that Frenkel’s superiors at Cisco knew of his blogging, in fact the case alleges it was part of Frenkel job, to blog about the East Texas federal courts. The why is as the Texas Lawyer says, “The suit was filed in U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Texas, which attracts a huge number of the nation’s IP suits because of its so-called “rocket docket.”
Thus although it is not a “poor misfortune” blogger that Mr. Babcock took up the First Amendment rights of, it is in fact a trademark and patent blog which at that time was ran by a lawyer for Cisco Systems Inc., which by the way Richard Frenkel is no longer with Cisco; as Babcock ended his opening statement to the jury by noting that the lawsuits had succeeded in silencing Frenkel, who is now of counsel at Wilson Sonsini Goodrich & Rosati in California.
The jury has been picked, five (5) men and five (5) women, opening statements were finished on Monday Babcock expects the trial to last about two weeks. Another attorney was observing court on Monday, Johnny Ward Jr., who is another E.D. Texas lawyer with a similar lawsuit pending against Cisco Systems Inc. Ward is likely to be called as a witness in the Albritton lawsuit; his own case is scheduled to go to trial in February 2010.
So in the end Babcock is not fighting for the little blogger but instead is being paid by a corporation worth approximately 33 billion dollars and can well afford the very best in Texas hired guns in the field of media and litigation. Now how can Art Harris afford this kind of fire power, when CBS Productions Inc. file their Answer in Harris County District Court, we might have our answer.
What I will be watching in this is how an east Texas jury reacts between the statement of “Banana Republic of East Texas” opposed to Chip Babcock’s good ole country boy facade. Babcock is after all the very best and knows in what markets to be that good ole country boy and in other markets an arrogant assured lawyer as someone once told me that had watched him in action in a different setting.
DISCLOSURE: First I feel like I am doing disclosures with every article, however that said; Ken and I have met both Lin Wood and Chip Babcock, not that we ever wanted to meet either of them. Lin Wood comes across as an arrogant lawyer and makes no bones about just being that, as that is who he is. However Charles “Chip” Babcock, comes across like a good ole Texas boy, although not raised in Texas. He is disarming and very nice, I am told and have witnessed in the attacks on Rose Speaks.com and myself that he and his fellow lawyers at Jackson Walker can turn that disarming personality and cut you up into shreds.
I have been reading papers on this pending lawsuit for the last two days, and in the end once again it is about money and who has it to fight the good fight, and who does not. That said it is about defending a blogger, even if it was being done on behalf of a mega corporation; perhaps some good will come out of this suit for all of us, I can hope. I suggest reading The Prior Art for the latest in the trial as they appear to have someone in court.
You can pick up these papers in our download section open to All not just members of Rose Speaks.com, as I go through the mega amount of filings since June 16, 2008 any of interest will be loaded for your reading and discussing pleasure.
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September 16, 2009 Virgie Arthur’s Motion to the Supreme Court of Texas asking that the Court Reconsider it’s ruling of September 11, 2009 and lift the Emergency Stay granted in regards to Harris’ answering those now infamous eleven (11) questions.
http://www.rosespeaks.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&op=getit&lid=2424
Will someone please tell me,McCabe is all there,Did or did not the supreme Court put a stay,ON ALL ACTION WITH THIS CASE?
PS Is McCabe afraid the court papers will now be read,ALL the dirty dealing will be known –my opinion
Looks to me like it is one of McCabe’s same old, same old saying the same thing. Notice how he never fails to add the “Stern Gang” and the criminal charges against Howard. McCabe acts as though by mentioning that tidbit [CC] it will sway a Judge in his favor. Not all Judges’ are like his buddy Lindsey.
JMA he sure does but I think by now almost everyone in the court system is also eyeing this case as it started out as going after a blog owner with little resources to fight a big law firm and two posters in the same situation and MY hope is they are also aware of the conspiracy between the O’Quinn law firm the S.C. people and Brown both for Ca. and S.C. Talk about a gang if anyone is a gang they are.
Am I missing something here McShame says he wants to depose Ken did either of you give a deposition.I know you gave a affidavit.Maybe one of the lawyers should put a cc about McShame and why he was fired from his teaching job.
Wait about 5-10 minutes. They forgot to put a page or two in the filing, so she’s uploading it to the server. (it will be the same dl number and such, just replacing the one that was there but with all the pages). Hopefully it wont take too long (3 mb upload on dial up, joy
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From what I have read so far several lawyers stepped up to defend especially one person that received a cease and desist letter from a lawyer from a person who was very well known and these lawyers said they would take the case pro bono as it involved free speech and someone trying to shut down that free speech.So far nothing just threats Maybe because the person threatening has more to lose than the blogger does.
hmm [6] where does it say he want’s to depose me?? This is the first I’ve heard of it and I’ve received no subpoena for a depo yet, from either side. Neither one of us have given any deposition (though lawyers on both sides of this have wanted it, in the past) The only thing given was the sworn statement that rose gave to LW and CB.
Laws are way too far behind the internet and it’s technology.
I am so used to instant news now that corrects itself as stories unfold. Making different impressions along the way. I have seen it being abused and seen it help with national disasters etc.
Blogging is a good thing on the whole but where a news service has a responsibility to check the source of a story, bloggers don’t always.
Opinions are often treated as they are facts, being bent and skewed to fit.. but I still come up with if you write it then you own it and are responsible for what you write.
Bloggers should be held accountable for their words that cause damage.
Trouble is the aliases that seem to make people feel they are immune to the usual norms of ethics etc.
There are some very savvy bloggers out there and some very dangerous ones as well.
Blogging is evolving constantly and laws will always be circumvented and will always lag behind. Cloaking software has a good customer base and allows a lot of this to happen.
I think we are only seeing the start of suing bloggers. The damage done on facebook, myspace etc also has to be included in all this.
JMA—-Am I right in thinking McCabe wants those 11 answers,before the supreme court reviews all the docs,so he would have all he is looking for ,before the supreme court makes any judgement,?In other words trying to sneak in the back door.
hmm [5] let us hope they are watching and hopefully they will see what an ass he is by adding Bloggers as Defendants in order to go after the other Defendants with the deep pockets.
Bev [10] yeah he does seem a little desperate there doesn’t he.
What I am not getting is why all the same old papers with each filing is McCabe expecting other Judges’ to read his crap when his buddy Judge doesn’t.
Holy Sh!t Batman!
Came on and popped in to see if OSITO or H.S. has typed any thoughts
and saw this Notice of Civil Action…
Here are the defendants:
** (REPOSTING — NOT my words…) **
Quote:
Re: Defendant Wilma Vicedomine (aka oh really!);
Defendant Kerry Castor (aka kerry)
Defendant Phyllis White(aka Whack-a-Mole)
Defendant Jill Brasier(Thangs);
Defendant Von Waddle(aka QV);
Defendant Sue Briner(aka windi);
Defendant Nelda “Rose” Turner(aka cajunrose);
Defendant Neil McCabe
Defendant Don Clark
Defendant The O’Quinn Law Firm
Doe Defendant (aka NoseKnow);
Doe Defendant (aka Trixie);
Doe Defendant (aka AlamoGirl);
Doe Defendant (aka Trainwreck);
Doe Defendant (aka hidden agenda);
Doe Defendant (aka PWF); …
End Quote.
Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/20/larry-b-and-dannielynn-swingers/105#comments#ixzz0RJsWGzG1
There is more on the link above to view…
That POST I just wrote went into SPAM…
I could not change the words, as it was a “Quote” on a Public Civil Notice…
Unless it was my beginning statement of; “Holy Sh!t Batman!”
Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/20/larry-b-and-dannielynn-swingers/105#comments#ixzz0RJsWGzG1
There is more on the link above to view…
[ 16 Defendants ]
Beth [13] She posted it here on the AH thread, last comment bout the same time as she posted it there.
Beth [15] It was one of the names on there (WV) that caused it to go into the pending folder.
Thanks Ken,
I hadn’t thought to look at the prior threads…
Sorry.
Guess I was caught off-guard by it.
Well, I have to get some things done…
* Hope your feeling beter Rose.
Be back later, HEY, I also noticed on TMZ something about Diane Marshall (think that is her first name) filing some things..
I do not know if that is current (today or not), when I come back I will look in your DOWNLOADS to see.
:admin note–brought over from other thread to this one:
September 16, 2009
Re: Defendant Wilma Vicedomine (aka oh really!);
Defendant Kerry Castor (aka kerry)
Defendant Phyllis White(aka Whack-a-Mole)
Defendant Jill Brasier(Thangs);
Defendant Von Waddle(aka QV);
Defendant Sue Briner(aka windi);
Defendant Nelda “Rose” Turner(aka cajunrose);
Defendant Neil McCabe
Defendant Don Clark
Defendant The O’Quinn Law Firm
Doe Defendant (aka NoseKnow);
Doe Defendant (aka Trixie);
Doe Defendant (aka AlamoGirl);
Doe Defendant (aka Trainwreck);
Doe Defendant (aka hidden agenda);
Doe Defendant (aka PWF);
The above named and anonymous pseudonyms listed above are hereby notified of civil action. This case was filed in Tarrant County, Texas, Case #352-23540609. The above names listed have been added as Defendants to the complaint. Plaintiff is requesting that anyone that used, or currently uses the above pseudonyms on TMZ and/or Topix come forward and provide identifying information and/or the identity of counsel representing them so that Plaintiff can serve them with complaint and conduct discovery. Plaintiff can be contacted at 817-812-6245 or emailed at butterfly75218@yahoo.com. Anyone with additional information on the above pseudonyms or anyone that used different pseudonyms not yet identified in complaint will be sought for discovery purposes and may also contact Plaintiff.
Plaintiff also hereby notifies individuals who have used the above pseudonyms or any additional pseudonyms not yet listed in complaint on TMZ, Topix, QV’s website, Trainwreck’s forum, Einy’s forum and any other websites, chat rooms and/or forums the Defendants use to post that Plaintiff intends to file requests with the court allowing for expedited discovery and subpoenas to disclose Defendant’s identities due to Plaintiff has became aware that numerous named and anonymous individuals listed above and those already named in the suit have recently destroyed and/or altered evidence and is seeking an emergency hearing to address the issues.
Thank you for your cooperation.
Teresa Stephens
Butterfly75218@yahoo.com
I am more than happy to be a cooperating defendant with Teresa Stephens AS LONG as it does not involve giving personal identifying information on the bloggers or readers of Rose Speaks… I might even be able to fill in some blanks for her as to where to serve certain ppl and who has the money to go after…
Ok. Question. Why would someone who is claiming to be stalked, harrassed or damaged in some way, by pretty much everyone on that list, put their phone number out on the internet where those exact people now have it? I do hope that Butterfly get justice for what has been done to her but who is going to jump and say “here I am. this person was me. sue me.”?
Ken 8 Pg 95 E-mail 12.17/08 Says: I am going to subpoena Ken Turner fo deposition.
TO BUTTERFLY——-You are a woman after my own heart,”I am sick of this,and i am not taking anymore”You do a body good,It is nice to see you are giving back,and such a nice way to do it.You will find the Topix (bitches) are all peeing in the fancy pants,GOD BLESS GO FOR IT
Bev [23] but why include rose in there. She did nothing to her or any of the things TS is saying she’s got “evidence” of.
raven [22] that’s an old email, back when we had a lawyer. But no, I have not been served for a depo nor do I intend on doing one, for anyone.
I just got here and am not up to speed, I just started to read Arthur’s motion I followed by comment #1, Arthur’s motion to the Supreme Crt, OMG, I thought if a Atty was to appeal to the Supreme Crt, he would use proper language like accused of conspiracy instead of using words like gang. Well we can all see that McC is still writing his own motions. I hope that these Judges are like Chin and don’t allow what has not been proven to besmear their decisions, IMO, From what I have just read it sounds to me as a if he is about to throw a tantrum, It proves IMO that in Harris County everyone has already been tried and convicted, Which is a bunch of Bullshit!, “Gang” They must have alot of gangs in Harris county if that is the way to get attention IMO, What happened to McC using Swim’s word of cabal, McC I can see talking and walking his Judge through lingo like using the word gang but to the Supreme CRT???.. Wow, Wouldn’t it be justice if they look at this whole case and put a stop to the nonsense, IMO I hope they will or someone does and how due process has not been allowed in this crt and this Judge does not ever read or is aware of what is front of her before she rules,(all for the plaintiff) Crazy shit, There is no inches, Those are peoples lives and motions from Atty’s that Should be heard and considered and should NEVER be referred to inches!
Everyone of the bloggers that are being sued IMO should write a book to never allow this because they are true heroes because they are standing up for their civil rights IMO.
KEN———Could it be Roses depo might help her prove what she is saying about those others listed,Maybe she needs rose for support,and for backup.I HOPE THAT ALL IT IS .She like Rose has been punched around long enough,time to kick back.
Good Morning all——I took a fast read over at the other site,and it is nice to see,Butterfly,has them all talking,and fighting one another,and poor Baloney,is now crying,about being poor with family’s.No one cared if Butterfly was disabled and with a five year old child,who they laughed and wonder who would take care of the child while she was in jail.THE SHOE IS ON THE OTHER FOOT. I do not care if she wins this case,they are getting a taste of what they made her go through,Now they can have a laugh on themselfs,BIG BIG BIG HUG BUTTERFLY.
Beverly [27] Naw, I don’t think that’s it. She states in there that the ones listed on there have “destroyed and/or altered evidence”. Plus, this is, at least, the second lawsuit she had filed that names rose as a defendant. I believe (and this is just my opinion) this is payback for what she (and probably others working with her) perceives rose has done wrong in this suit. Just an opinion, based off things I’ve seen her post… both in public and behind the scenes…directed at rose.
DEAR KEN—-I sure hope not,I have seen so much back stabbing,from the other one,this internet sure is a teacher in human behavier.I never in this world thought (M) would write what is is writing,but than again,at my age I AM STILL LEARNING,
Roxanne [21] I agree she should not have added her phone # cause all that will do is cause more stalking or possibly phone harassment. You are also correct which of those names/monikers is going to come forward. Hell, they continue to deny they [especially the main stalker] have ever done anything wrong even the ones who have put people’s names, e-mail address etc on public forums.
What’s sad is that there are people who attack McC for twisting and taking things out of context in his filings but yet, toss that argument out and point to those very same filings as indisputable proof that rose is bad and a (fill in with whatever word you want to use, most have already been). Some of these people are the same ones who come to rose asking for help with legal papers and then turn right around and file this shit against her, accusing her of all kinds of crap.
okay, rant off.
MY OPINION—–Any one with a opinion against Vergie is a conspirator according to the other site.Do they even know how sick that sounds,Virgie and her group of (sharks) can rip Howard apart and McCabe can say the Sternie group,but not word against Vergie and it is a conspiracy.life don’t work that way.This woman has tryed to ruin so many lifes,and yet no one is to say anything,for 3 years now,I have seen Vergie try and destroy Larry Birkhead,Howard,Bonnie ,Rose Lyndal,Butterfly,Vergie has made public comments,on National TV,and in the magazines,she has tormented the hell out of Larry trying to be a father,she accused Howard of harming Anna and Daniel,until all the evidence was in,Vergie and her co-horts tred to use the press now she is getting paid back.what CBS AND TMZ does is to invite opinions,if Vergie does not like people opinions TOO BAD.THAT”S LIFE,YOU GET WHAT YOU GIVE.
You know,some people cannot see the forest for the trees,(m) on the other site,cannot get through her head Vergie was the ENABLER,and from the looks of it joined in.Anna’s drinking and taking drugs was so bad she needed Betty Ford clinic,WHERE WAS VERGIE HELP,Anna habit of drug abuse was started BEFORE Howard.She had years of drug abuse before Howard,IF Vergie could not help Anna,in all those years,why blame howard,Howard did what the doctor wanted,it discust me,that Vergie WILL NOT TAKE BLAME FOR HER DAUGHTER,Anna had years of drug use before HOWARD KNEW HER.And what a two face bitch of a family member auntie Shelly was, stealing a video,after Anna put the ugly,family member on her show,which by the way sounded like a ally cat in heat,What a discusting family,
THE ABOVE COMMENT IS MY OPINION
Beverly, NOPE I called and left a msg for Teresa last night, and got a confirmation email from her this morning that the only thing she will removed is the a/k/a cajunrose since I have not used that name on any forum anywhere especially since meeting Butterfly online…
Well at least she drew the line in the sand, so there will be no more emails asking me to send her documents from the other lawsuits she might need or phone calls for “humongous favors” as she always calls them….
This is a prime example of being stabbed in the back but I have pulled other knives out along the way… I guess trying to be fair to others is now a cardinal sin and the saying no good deed goes unpunished is so very true.
Yea Beverly she is serious, Et Tu Brutus??
DEAR ROSE—–I think something happen to Butterfly,when she was sent to jail,I think she is having a hard time believing in anyone.I AM SO SORRY YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL THIS.Remember,your health and Ken,keep thinking how ken would feel if something happen to you,people come and go,but life is short,
Hello everyone.
Life took a little sidetrack and here I am trying to get up to speed. Still wondering about those depos?
“As the world turns site” was the hardest to wade thru. Not exactly alot of info to be shared but from my observations I do believe that some are now aware of how addiction works. For I see that the same comments that have been posted for years are replayed and reposted and so I believe that maybe those that are stuck on the replay button can finally recognize their behavior and how easy it is to be sucked in and even harder finding a way to ‘get out’.
As for the latest filings concerning Bfly, that was only a matter of time. In the early days of Tmz, I seem to remember comments of how some persons were hoping to start a class action suit against Lwoods lawfirm. Something about RICO and sharing of info and how giddy they were. For how long now has the focus of these suits been more of the people posting than the actual cases? If VA’s case or Howard’s, was strong in the beginning there would be no need to make the comments that were made over any of the people that had taken a stance, or held an opinion, or were waiting for more info. But as for today, the cards have been dealt, and the wolves crying seem so empty. Now they call Bfly’s suit without merit? Any of the suits with bloggers involved have been meritless. The cases should of been only between the key players and if they were at fault, so be it. It should of never been a ‘fudge the facts’ to get to an end goal. I can see that the game is played in most courtrooms and as this latest article states, who has the most money to fight wins. That the scales of justice are tipped with dollar bills. Sad state of affairs.
I’m just as guilty because here I am, still waiting to see what the outcome is and still rooting for the ‘home team’. It all has been an eye opening experience. But one that surely doesn’t leave me feeling all warm and fuzzy.
http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/20/larry-b-and-dannielynn-swingers/106
Raven thanks you saved me a lot of time I knew I read it in the last downloads Rose posted but not exactly which one.Ken I hope that Answered your question.There was no date just McShame saying he wanted to depose you.I just wondered if he had gone ahead and tried.
Bewildered I am with you on this one we all come back to see what is happening.
IMO the pro Se defendants are all just to come out of this in one piece and intact whether it me mentally or physically.
Maybe the phone number is a way to track who does call.kind of a sting thing.Some of those crackpots that made death threats against anyone that thought a court of law and a jury of your peers decided if you were innocent or guilty and not a media deranged mom created by the O;Q firm and McShame. I have a friend who uses a throw away e-m,ail address to sell things on because you can’t trust people anymore.he uses it until he sells what ever he wanted to sell then discards it.
And her I always thought Oh really was VA or another family member interesting to see butterfly got others names I think Rose should be removed and one other person put on that list,Kerry’s cohort,Einstein I think her AKA name was.Also Kerry claimed her husband helped her and that he was a police officer.That is a big no no using the police departments resources for a personal vendetta,if in fact he did help her as she claims
Not to mention, rose just found out today from a third party who’s also being sued by TS that she (rose) had been on TS’s list for over 4 months (and didn’t know about it till she got some paperwork on the case forwarded to her from another defendant), all the while TS had been calling and emailing rose asking for help with court papers and such. Talk about dirty dealings. Asking a person to help you with the stuff you need for the lawsuits, all the while planning on suing that person.
hmmm
Butterfly already has a suit against Einy. That’s where she was when she was arrested and brought back to Harris Co. Give you 3 guesses as to who called McCabe and told him where Butterfly would be that day. The first 2 don’t count either.
Ken (25) I knew it was an old e-mail.
I was just clarifying what Hmm(6) had seen while reading download 2424. lol I’ll butt out. )
OPEN LETTER TO BUTTERFLY——You have made me ashamed,to have ever backed you,I AM NOT INTO BACKSTABBING .
Somehow, I think that “The Life and Times of Judge Roy Bean” was required reading in Texas.
Ok folks I was up to 4 AM that insomnia thing, it feels kind of surreal to have helped the person that you now find out, the help you were providing was for a lawsuit where you are being sued and never saw the papers where you were in the lawsuit… yea it is a surreal feeling to verify that butterfly had me on the original suit filed against eniy, her mother, her ex-land lord and the list goes on….
I am going to go have a nice hot bath, eat and watch TV… will try to have an article up tomorrow for all of us… not sure on what but will search through the cases we are covering.
If you want a follow up on an article that I said I would do and then forgot please remind me…
OK I’m a little lost here I had thought Butterfly was going after those who cause her harm/grief in some way. Rose how could you helping her cause her harm/grief?
Roxanne [43] can you give me a hint I’m a little slow today, just kidding it’s a no brainer ;-)
Seriously not kidding about being slow, I feel kind of blah today. Must be a stomach bug going around cause hubby was home yesterday due to not feeling well and I guess he must have passed his germs on to me cause I have been feeling yucky all day…blah. Isn’t love grand
Rose?
Have you read the papers you have downloaded from Teresa?
http://www.rosespeaks.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&op=getit&lid=2137
Lizzie
Those are papers that have been filed in the current lawsuit in Harris County. The one being talked about now is in Tarrent Co. They are different cases.
It would appear Lizzie I am a defendant in another case in a different county that has been pending with me as a defendant since March of this year, I have never been served knew nothing about it until Teresa told me last night by posting this “public announcement” I have now verified that all of these months I have made sure Teresa got what she needed, all of these months I defended her, she just used me… and never told me I was a defendant in a suit with all of the VA bloggers in another county in Texas, now how is that for learning to look out for me only and quit being the “nice or fair” guy here… Yea I am P. O. Teresa should have been human/woman whatever enough to have been honest instead of telling me she needed papers she could not download and that they could not have the watermark on them if she was going to use them and now it appears it might have been a tad embarrassing to explain that the woman who defended her and helped her for 6 months has been a defendant the whole time… Like I said Et Tu Brute… I am beyond being surprised by any of this any more of any of the ppl.
Rose I think she has left out a lot of people including that person who contacted her son.
This is not making any sense. A judge ruling is involved in this,” remember because I said so”
We have always defended her and this was always with your blessing.
Some of her stuff got downright weird and still we did what she asked and left the posts on the site even though we were ridiculed for doing so..
I think this is just cruel and is going to misfire..
All I am saying is that McC can’t get his story straight and the facts straight IMO, He does twist and says whatever serves the purpose at the moment IMO, Clear eyes and a Intelligent Judge/Judges with a unbiased position and uses law and the actual facts and applies the law are needed to rectify all this BS. IMO.
I hope everyone is well, The truth will see the light of day, I just pray it is sooner then later.
What happened to Wilmer?, On TMZ they say her thread went poof like a fart in the wind. Was she stifled? Or did she all the sudden have a change of heart?, I doubt it. Or I wonder if her days are up? Or what is she hiding?, Or, Or, Or so many questions.
What happened in the last crt hearing in NY?, Are the depos going to finally be released? Could all this have anything to do with that??? Thanks in advance, I know I need to read more and be up to par but thanks. Certain names are not to be spoken here, Who is that protecting???,. IMO, is that someone running scared and or distancing themselves from what is about to come forth??.. (Wilmer)? This is interesting, I would never ask them but I do wonder what the darkside wonders about her MIA, They already got a answer imo but alot of them I have read are not stupid and the ones that do question are not blind followers and I do give them credit/respect for that., I just have this feeling that the truth whatever side anyone is on is going to come soon and I welcome it and that is all I want, imo, no matter what it is just the truth and the law of this state and that state applied, My heart still goes out to Howard No matter what! He, I believe Loved Anna and Daniel and was and is a man that was and still is unjustly Persecuted because of the greed of others!!!!!
God Bless you Howard and family, ETC! This whole everything was started by a infirm that had so much money from others that wanted more from others imo and must have cost him into I am guessing into the millions by now (GREED), IMO, Bloggers and anyone else are just a casulity to them and lives ruined financially and women jailed is just another day at the office, revenge is ugly business with no soul, these are old men IMO that should IMO care about their souls, I am so thankful that is not my desiny and like most of us here we have a conscience and soul, That is why we came together with outrage and conscience of right and wrong and just wanting the truth, not what someone told us in the media or blasted over and over, remember his excuse was it was all hyperbole and anyone that took him serious was a idiot. IMO idiots are rampant and even Judges are capable of being idiots especially when they don’t follow or rule on facts and read motions, OK straight up be a Judge whom is supposed to be impartial, The Judge in Harris County is not impartial imo and is a idiot imo because imo she is not impartial, she does not state case law– As a matter of fact I will bet that this case will be sited as what not to do or not allowed in cases in the future and used (sited) in crt cases that abuse of Judicial discretion of this nature will be sited IMO.
Off Rant,.
Good Morning Everyone—–Something is very confusing to me,was or was not a certain person employed by the OQ Law Firm that was posting on Topix and had her own thread?Now with so many lawsuits,one in particular Vergie verses bloggers, would or would not that be a conflict of interest,as this person has given depo’s in several cases,if the bloggers on this site along with TMZ,Art Harris,CBS,Bonnie,so on and so on are considered in a conspiracy to defame poor Vergie,what is the plaintiff’s Attorney employee doing on a blogg instigating conversation that would cause comments pro and con.?
This just keeps getting stranger and starnger by the day.
Beverly, imo, that is exactly what the certain person that works “with” the Law firm is doing. Instigating and providing further evidence that the “conspiracy” to defame VA was successful and continues to this day.
Trina—–To me,there is something illegal in that,That is the Law Firm setting up a problem,then complaining,That person as a employee,had no buisness blogging on any thing to do with any of the cases of the OQ Law firm, wheather she is now,or has been,a employee,THROW THE CASE OUT.
I’ve been told the tread is still there. I don’t have a link to it so who knows if that is true.
it’s there, checked it this morning.
Yep it sure is and still the same old same crude coming off the fingertips of a certain poster.
Rose~~ you know who is saying that you are lying [yeah we can take her word on that, ah not] about not knowing Teresa/Butterfly was suing you. That person is saying you told them [again, take her word on that, ah not] all about it. Just thought I would fill you in on that little tidbit ;-)
Oh and to that person claiming not to be following this site any longer Ha-Ha I know that’s a crock but any woo just want to tell you this. I am far from being a CRUEL person [your claim a few days ago] but I will give credit where credit is due, you were right when you said I belong right where I am [Rose Speaks] at least you got something right for a change.
Wow I feel like my old sweet self today, plenty of rest does a body good :-)
Oops s/b crud not crude
JMA #61 – glad to hear you’re feeling better and back to your sweet self.
Roxanne #59 here’s the link
http://www.topix.com/forum/who/anna-nicole-smith/T3TIMGRVVCP0KSB54/p413
New article up with a significant change in the case that y’all may like
http://thepriorart.typepad.com/the_prior_art/2009/09/rick-frenkel-on-the-stand-in-troll-tracker-defamation-lawsuit.html
Update on blogger trial in Tyler Texas
WOO HOO CHECK OUT THE NEW ARTICLE!!!
Ya know let this M person do her best I am with Bev I do not believe in hurting someone for no reason or backstabbing my friends whether I was mad at them or not .Just would not be that dirty towards anyone.Let the topix slime play in the pig stye and mud