John J. Nazarian with the Mansion girls forty years ago

Forty years already, were does the time go? For me as with so many, the late 60’s and early 70’s were a time of turmoil. I was in the process of getting kicked out of my home in Boston by the original wicked stepmother, aka Marian Badasher Nazarian, “a woman that my father slept with.” My adoptive mother Cecelia F. Nazarian died March 26, 1963, I was ten. “Dad” was lonely I guess and met this who%&! as a passenger on one of his ships. “Daddy” married her in 1966. And it wasn’t long before she managed to unload me thanks to her hard work convincing my father I was a “bad kid” (this “bad kid” grew up to be a cop and all these years later I can now look back and see what Marian conspired to do). I was on my way to a dry desolate little place called Saugus, California. Back in those days there was nothing much in Saugus, California and it was hot and it was dry and this was where my sister and her family lived, and it was were I was going to be living for a very long time. This would turn out to be some of the best times of my life….the 70’s.

Well as time went on I became friends with Deputies from the old Newhall Station on San Fernando Road and for me coming from a suburb of Boston this was like visiting a western movie set. I remember the Manson murder case and I also remembered very vividly a man called Vincent Bugliosi…Vincent was the prosecutor who became famous on so many levels in sending many of the Manson Family to state prison. We all watched in fascination on television those horrific events. Vincent had a powerful presence in those days and later in my life he would still have it. A few years ago I interviewed Vincent Bugliosi for the O.J.Simpson story I did for Discovery Channel and I was very impressed with his still very strong presence and energy, he is sharp as ever and opinionated and interesting to speak with. This was a man that I had watched as a teenager on TV and now I was at his house, in his living room, reflecting on a very large part of his career. That large part was Charlie Manson and the three girls, all vicious killers, though Charlie always stated that he killed no one….

My early entry into law enforcement was as a prison guard at CIW, California Institute for Women in Frontera. Not a question in my mind that the time spent with the California Dept. of Corrections was one of my best learning experiences. Go figure, and as time went on I was introduced to all the famous female killers and others who had achieved an interesting level of fame — bank robbers, child killers, drug dealers and “Queens of Fraud.” I had them all for 8 to 16 hours a day, and little did I know that when I took my initial physical at the prison hospital it was an inmate handling part of my “intake” as a California State Prison guard…looking back on that experience it was strange but hey, I did not care, I needed a job. My first few days I had to remind myself that these inmates were all “female” no matter how masculine they appeared or the roles they play while incarcerated.

As a Prison Guard at C.I.W. I had a great deal of interaction with Patricia Krenwinkel, Leslie Van Houten and of course the infamous Susan Atkins. These girls were celebrities in the prison system, and at one time were housed in the specialty housing unit aka Death Row. Till “the girls” arrival there was not a Death Row at C.I.W. Death Row, C.I.W. style, was built of brick and cement with the intent of holding the “Manson Girls.” In time “the girls” would be released to General Population aka, GP, once the death penalty in California was no more. Surviving this was an achievement for the three convicted murderers, as for one of the other inmates to kill them would have given that inmate a certain level of jailhouse fame…these three girls were very smart inmates. They got their educations and became mouthpieces for others, as they could get instant access to the administration. I always found them interesting, Susan was very friendly and I would be selected to handle her wedding, and to take a picture with her and her new and very short-term husband Don Laisure (he was a huckster and a con) and Captain Brueske. That picture was worth more than $10,000 during those days but I kept it. Over time I acquired many photos of the girls and even a lock-up order for Ms. Van Houten, as it was I that was placed in charge of locking her up for a period of time.

To read the rest of the article and to see John J. Nazarian as he was forty years ago be sure NOT to miss this article.

http://desperateexes.com/2009/08/14/my-life-with-the-manson-girls/.

Charlie - Charles Manson then Charlie - Charles Manson now

Just because it would be fun, here is Charles Mansion then and now, so as a contest as your read Mr. Nazarian’s article, tell which one you think he is in the pictures including the one he graciously allowed us to use with this article.

© John J. Nazarian, Former State Prison Guard at C.I.W.
August 14, 2009
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44 Responses to “John J. Nazarian, “My Life with the Mansion Girls”, Charlie, [Charles], Manson of the Sharon Tate Murders!”
  1. Liann says:

    John, Great article thank you,. As I am sitting reading I am thinking of Saugus/ Newhall and although I was very young I don’t remember the Manson trials as they happened but I do remember the 1971 earthquake, so many city’s were hit so hard . Do you remember this?

    http://www.lafire.com/famous_fires/710209_SylmarEarthquake/020971_LAHerald_KillerQuake.htm

    At the decades old Hall of Justice, where Charles Manson and three followers are on trial in the Sharon Tate murder case, fourth-floor walls were laced with cracks and plaster littered the corridor. The new police building nearby had numerous broken windows.

  2. John J. Nazarian P.I. says:

    I remember the 1971 earthquake as it was yesterday, we lived off of Lyons Avenue in Newhall and it shook like you could not imagine. Thanks for recalling my memory to those days!

    John

  3. JMA says:

    I seriously cannot believe this man is still alive, of all people why would God have mercy on him.

  4. Rose says:

    It is a great historical article I thought JMA, very thorough and I loved the pictures and had to have help picking out Mr. Nazarian from them… of course back then I looked good in “hot pants”… LOL forty years do change us…

    Didn’t the Mansion girls shave their heads for their trial?

  5. JMA says:

    Rose [4] I agree sorry if I came off a little strong, my comment was more or less me thinking aloud. Like Liann, I was too young to remember the trial or even the murders. I only know what has been said throughout the years oh and from the movie that was done.

  6. JMA says:

    OH PS I always enjoy John’s stories and articles.

  7. Liann says:

    I remember not to long ago hearing on the news that Susan Atkins was up for parole but I just looked her up on wiki and it has been over a year now, It does say that she is paralyzed over 85% of her body now and her next parole hearing is scheduled for 9/2/09 but I think because of the grizzly nature of the crimes and the fear it instilled on the nation, none of them will ever get out of prison.

    JMA, I am with you about Manson, I remember back in the 90′s there was some sick fascination about him I remember Guns and Roses recorded a song of his called “Look at your game, Girl” and it sucked! It pissed me off because I am a Big G n R fan and could not understand why Axl was wearing or would even wear a tee-shirt with Manson’s crazy face on it let alone record a song and possibly give him royalties.

  8. susieq2 says:

    Is that JB?

  9. JMA says:

    Liann [7] I remember reading how Susan wanted to go home to her family to die. Didn’t the Beatles’s do a song called Helter Skelter in reference to Manson and later on U2 did a remake. I think also there’s a book on Mason and the Manson Girl’s.

    susieq2 ~~ Ha-Ha :lol:

  10. John J. Nazarian P.I. says:

    JMA The Beatle’s song was ‘Sadie…….lalalala something’ someone will recall I am sure.

    John

  11. John J. Nazarian P.I. says:

    OOOOps one more thing, it was reported to be about Susan as if it was or not I am not sure.

    John

  12. heath says:

    Good read John…posted a comment on your site.

    But I think they should have made sure the death penalty applied I think..how much has it cost to keep the Manson gang alive.

    How much money was made by the Beatles for Helter Skelter?

    I am conflicted.

    When murderers get old and frail we seem to forget what they did as they don’t look like they could hurt a flea.

    I know the point has been made….but some idiots just don’t seem to get it

  13. Bewildered says:

    Vincent Bugliosi…didn’t he do the movie, In Cold Blood? The one with a young Robert Blake?? I remember reading the book many years ago.

    Great article and love hearing your memories! You were so ‘smart and snappy’ a dresser even back then.

    I thought Susan was released just recently? Will it make a difference if she dies at home or prison at this point..probably not. Those last breaths of ‘free air’? I would think that after that many years, prison was home.

  14. John J. Nazarian P.I. says:

    Bewildered you are 100% correct, she has no idea of the ‘free world’, she is what they call institutionalized after spending a life time in a state prison. She has skills and abilities but outside of the prison, it is tough for many. Even after being released it can take a very long time to understand and adjust to being free. Not a question that she would be surrounded by fellow inmates and staff….it is the final care I think that would make her dieing a little easier.

    John

  15. Liann says:

    Ok, I just got back on but I need to look this up, I think Manson had a nickname for one of his girls Sade May Glutz, and the Manson family took that song name Helter Skelter and wrote in blood I think both murder sites I think I know on the door at Sharon’s house but not sure about the Labeanca’s., I am going to look it up now, :) , I will see it I am right. lol

  16. Liann says:

    Ok Sadie May Glutz was Charlie’s nicname for Susan Atkins, I knew I just saw that. Not sure about the song

  17. JMA says:

    John ~~ Helter Skelter was on the Beatle’s White Album. I remember how pissed my brother got when his was ruined because the people above him in the apartments he was living in at the time, left their water running and it went right on the shelf where he had is collection.

    I researched the song Helter Skelter and found I was wrong it was not written for Manson but was a song Manson related to during his murders. I guess it was one of those “I bet you think this song is about you don’t you” times.

    In December 1968, Charles Manson heard this song, as well as others from The White Album, and interpreted them as a warning of an approaching race war. He saw the Beatles as the 4 angels mentioned in the New Testament book of Revelation and believed their songs were telling him and his followers to prepare themselves. Manson referred to this future war as “Helter Skelter.” The words “Healter Skelter” (a misspelling of the Beatles song) were also written in blood at the scene of one of the Manson Family murders (The Labianca’s). Because of this connection, Los Angeles assistant District Attorney Vincent Bugliosi, who led the prosecution of Manson and the other killers, named his best-selling book about the murders Helter Skelter. Bugliosi’s book was the basis for a film of the same title.

    In an interview with Lennon in the January 1971 edition of Rolling Stone, the former Beatle was asked about his reaction to Manson’s deluded interpretation of this song. Lennon replied: “He’s balmy, like any other Beatle-kind of fan who reads mysticism into it. We used to have a laugh about this, that or the other, in a light-hearted way, and some intellectual would read us, some symbolic youth generation wants to see something in it. We also took seriously some parts of the role, but I don’t know what ‘Helter Skelter’ has to do with knifing somebody. I’ve never listened to the words, properly, it was just a noise.”(thanks, Mike – Mountlake Terrace, Washington, for above 2)

    http://www.songfacts.com/detail.php?id=169

    This here is from Wikipedia

    Charles Manson
    • Helter Skelter (Manson scenario), prophesied war which inspired the Tate-LaBianca murders
    o Helter Skelter (book), 1974 book by Vincent Bugliosi about the murders
    o Helter Skelter (1976 film), based on the book, remade in 2004

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helter_Skelter

  18. Liann says:

    Beatles White album came out 1968 and that had the songs Sexy Sadie and Helter Skelter on it
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beatles_White_Album

    Tate Murder was Aug. 9, 1969, LaBianca murders was Aug. 10, 1969

    I don’t think the Beatles wrote any songs for the Manson family I think the Manson family used Beatles song and construed the Beatles songs to fit the family.

  19. Liann says:

    JMA, LOL just were I was going with this. :) :)

  20. Liann says:

    I am not as quick as you JMA, LOL :)

  21. Liann says:

    Oh sorry this is in reference to Manson calling Susan Atkins Sadie May Glutz.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Atkins

  22. JMA says:

    Liann~~ Google is our friend isn’t it :lol:

  23. Liann says:

    High five JMA :)

  24. John J. Nazarian P.I. says:

    JMA ‘I bet you think this song is about you dont you’ LMAO that too brought back a bunch of memories for me for a whole other story! The research on this ‘Sadie’, this is fascinating, as I recall the issue just not the facts about it becoming and issue. You all have brought back so much from those days, good job.
    I have looked at the parole hearings on UTUBE and it is interesting to see the footage of those days. Sylvia J. Johnson was the Superintendent of C.I.W. and she was a very powerful women, very dynamic and I will never forget the first time she came on the scene, a great lady. If they called her a ‘Warden’ that got more money and as I recall there were only two ‘Wardens’ in those days, one was at San Quentin and the other was at Folsom……those were big deals back in those days, a Warden was ‘god like’.
    Also, the one photo is of my going away party from C.D.C. ( it was quite a bash ) and to have the Superintendent come to it was an enormous event……as I said they did not get any cooler than Sylvia J. Johnson.
    Thanks,
    John

  25. Bewildered says:

    Was Manson ever diagnosed with a mental illness or was he just plain evil as he portrays in that first pic? I saw him being interviewed in his later years. He was manic and still full of himself.

  26. hmm says:

    Jma You beat me also I was going to say Helter Skelter was a movie and a book. I remember reading about the murders and how horrible it all was.Well at least they were put away for life but IMO there are many like them still out there if you read about the bodies being found but do not make the news either because they were homeless people or prostitutes,guess I should give the LE credit maybe they just don’t want to much info out their that they are getting close to these people.They just caught a person up in Anchorage that was killing the homeless for anything they might have.

  27. hmm says:

    That picture of Manson was always scary about as scary as the my precious picture up on one of the articles . I kind of skim past them LOL

  28. hmm says:

    Looked at the pictures of John 40 years ago and would never have known it was him.

  29. Liann says:

    John, You are and was a very handsome man back in the day, imo I like today’s picture of you better, I always love reading or knowing the back-story of people and how or what influenced them to become the person they are now. That is such a major part of what makes us who we are imo, I thank you for sharing.

  30. John J. Nazarian P.I. says:

    Liann thanks, in my case, much of my life is an open book and at my age I could care less who knows what or when, but we are all nothing but a blue print of from were we came. What is even more interesting is that my entire ‘being’ has prepared me well for the low lifes and scum bags I have had to deal with much of my career especially in what I do to day. What is also interesting is the constant attempts to manipulate me and what I do is funny, especially to some degree several have taken my kindness as a weakness and it will all be coming to an end very soon. There are not too many secrets anymore and again, for someone to think that they can ‘bully’ or ‘intimidate’ someone with my background one has to wonder what the fuck are they thinking.
    To all of you who have posted comments on this story, just wait, the best is yet to come.

    John

  31. heath says:

    #30 I think they don’t know you very well. We have only blogged together but I would not like to piss you off….in fact I think thats what I like most about you, that and you car and your dog :) ))))

    Just reel em in and let it all be a surprise…

  32. JMA says:

    John ~~ I took the time out and went to your site to read your entire article today seems you have indeed lived a very interesting life. Though I knew, you were a bodyguard now and that you were once a police officer I did not know you also were also a prison guard, which now is how I see your connection to the Manson’s Women.

    We have sorta something in common, my only son is a prison guard as well. Late last year when he came to me and said Mom I’m gonna take a test to become a prison guard my heart sunk one because this meant he would be exposed to known criminals on a daily basis and two because this is not what he went to school for, for two years. Secretly I hoped he would fail it but I knew that was not possible due to the boy has never failed a test in his life. Then I hoped he would at least score low but no, the boy has never ever scored low on a test, so now, here we are almost a year later and my boy is watching over inmates.

    Times have surely changed from when you were a prison guard, here they do not carry guns, etc. Here not only do they have to check for drugs and weapons but also now, cell phones due to that is some inmate’s weapon to order hits on the outside. He was totally amazed to see that now they train dogs [Sheppard’s and Rottweiler’s, which I have had both] to sniff out not only drugs but also cell phones too, so he told me in another year or two he may go canine I think I can live with that. Hell maybe down the road he will decide to become a bodyguard ;-) but I put my foot down and refuse to hear any talk of him becoming a police office :lol:

  33. JMA says:

    Correction: did not know you were a prison guard until this article.

  34. Bewildered says:

    “blue print of from were we came”…and with all the nuances that come with it! And the grey hairs, wrinkles/laugh lines. Makes life more intersting doesn’t it to know when you’re being snowed ?

    Can’t wait to hear more.

  35. John J. Nazarian P.I. says:

    JMA I dont know what state you live in, however, a Prison Guard or as they like to be called ‘Correctional Officer’ is one of the toughest jobs in the world. A guard sees more bad guys in one afternoon than most police officers will see in a life time. The training and experience is second to none, and if he ever decides to go on to police work believe me he will be well prepared. Note: The old days, many Sheriff’s Dept’s made ‘new’ deputies work in the jails, this was for two reasons, it was to get them seasoned and at the same time they would see criminal behavior and those that do it. When they hit the streets, they would notice little thins that a Rooky police officer would have no idea, as police officers go through training and then over the course of their career learn about criminals and their behavior.
    Also, I am not a ‘body guard’, we are an investigative agency first and provide security for a very select group of people……it has to be the appearance, and you are not the first to think that.
    Also, guns are only allowed on the outside of the fence, in towers and gun rails in some of the older prisons, ‘the rule’ never have a gun or club were the inmates can get to it! LOL Many members over the years have been murdered when inmates and prisoners got access to an officers gun. Note: Inmates will often practice gun take aways while they ‘exercise’ in the prison yard….inmates have many rights while in prison than seem reasonable. And some states are friendly than others, California is one of the best states to do time, as it is a ‘feel good’ state! Florida and Texas have been known as tough states to do time.
    John

  36. JMA says:

    John~~ yes now they are called Correction Officers and he had to go through the same type of training as a Police officer would. He said it was somewhat like a Military boot camp too. As for guns with-in the prisons, yes he told me the only guns are those on the outside or in the towers and it is optional as to whether a Corrections Officer wants to go through training for handling/licensed to carry one. Where I live, you must be licensed to legally carry a firearm and it is not easy to get a license here either, nope they will not just hand them out to anyone here.

    Sorry, :-( about suggesting/referring to you as a “bodyguard” but you kinda remind me of one and if I were to ever need one, [which would most likely be never, not that important of a person] I would want someone of your statuette.

  37. JMA says:

    Oh and John as for the “here where I live” it’s MD

  38. hmm says:

    Jma I feel for you as I was part of an police officer family for over 20 years and I think John is right you meet the worst of the worst as a corrections officer and in my state they also make you handle being a jailer as part of your training as a police officer along with all the rest.I guess at least he doesn’t have to worry about shootings ect but I have heard of other attacks from home made weapons that can be just as bad if not worse.
    John I had read up a little on you so was not surprised you were a guard but did not know you were at the same prison as the Manson girls.

  39. JMA says:

    hmm [38] the way I see it with him working with-in the prison system [which I will never be comfortable with] he knows who the criminals are and pretty much knows what to expect on a day to day basis unlike if he were to become a Police officer, who knows what you may encounter day to day. I mean I support him in whatever he chooses as his career, just would feel more comfortable if his career was what he earned his degree in, know what I mean.

  40. John J. Nazarian P.I. says:

    JMA that is great, I was stationed in Bainbridge, Md while in the Navy…..I also have several friends who live there, it is a great place to live.
    John

  41. Liann says:

    “What is also interesting is the constant attempts to manipulate me and what I do is funny, especially to some degree several have taken my kindness as a weakness and it will all be coming to an end very soon. There are not too many secrets anymore and again, for someone to think that they can ‘bully’ or ‘intimidate’ someone with my background one has to wonder what the fuck are they thinking”.

    (John, I have read over and over this statement from you and you have completely got my full attention and this statement speaks for its self).

    “To all of you who have posted comments on this story, just wait, the best is yet to come.”

    John, I am so looking forward to what else or whatever you have to say. I hold your words in high regard.

    I am not sure where this is going but I can’t wait for you to tell us who was thinking what and WTF, Thank you John and the best is worth waiting for.

  42. Liann says:

    Damn John, You have alot of knowledge and that is awesome, please share what you want to, I mean that with all respect.

  43. JMA says:

    John ~~ yeah I’m not far from the Naval Academy. My daughter used to date a guy in the Navy so now she is into the whole Navy vs. Army football thing.

    PS,

    The MD blue crab is the best ;-)

  44. hmm says:

    JMA I do know what you mean in today’s economy a lot of people have had to take jobs that they may not have wanted to but was better than nothing.And yes knowing what you are dealing with is a lot better than say going to a domestic dispute and not knowing what to expect stopping someone for speeding ect.A lot of LE have been killed at both

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