You Have to Know When to Hold Them, Know When to Fold Them and Know When to Walk Away!
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I am not sure if I will ever put up all 118 pages of the excerpted deposition with exhibits that Rita Cosby’s attorney, Elizabeth McNamara, filed “accidentally” of the Howard K. Stern September 15 – 16, 2008 deposition conducted in New York City marked as exhibit F. Some of the exhibits with that excerpted portion of Mr. Stern’s deposition are marked “HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL FOR ATTORNEYS EYES ONLY”. I have remarked before of how Lin Wood had his hands slapped by the Court for filing in Florida and Texas 14 pages of the sacred Rita Cosby’s deposition and I wondered why this grievous act did not warrant a hand slapped by the New York Federal Judge, the Honorable Denney Chin of “Liz” McNamara. Then perhaps I am the only one except for the litigants and the court that stayed up late December 15 and downloaded this mountain of paperwork. I was asked and did supply all four excerpts to a legal team in another state with the documents, now I wonder if I am in violation of the New York Federal Court’s Order since these papers were never supposed to be viewed by any legal team on any case that might even remotely be a cross over of parties.
However like a lot of times when I am writing I have regressed here. I have a total of 4 depositions with excerpts, Pol’ Atteu, 34 pages, marked exhibit C, dated May 28, 2008 conducted in Los Angeles California; Patrik Simpson’s, 14 pages, marked exhibit B, dated May 27, 2008 conducted in Los Angeles California; Larry Birkhead’s, 10 pages, marked exhibit A, dated July 22, 2008 no city listed; and Howard K. Stern’s, 118 pages, marked as Exhibit F and as I have already stated all of these were filed in error.
All of the 4 depositions of excerpts were supposed to be filed under seal by Cosby’s legal team, you wonder why the excerpts that would be directly before and after Exhibit F; Exhibit D, excerpts of the Wilma Vicedomine deposition, Exhibit E, excerpts of Mark Speer’s deposition, Exhibit G, excerpts of Jack Harding’s deposition and Exhibit H, excerpts of Bruce Littlefield’s deposition did not find their way into the late night “accidental filing”. As one of the four people whom I contacted about their deposition being filed said; “Rose, I don’t think these were filed in error, I think it was a brilliant move by Cosby’s lawyer”.
More alarming to me though is the following “accidental” filings:
1. Exhibit K marked “HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL” consists of 14 pages, the first 6 are an Affidavit of Larry Birkhead dated September 30, 2006, the second 6 pages are dated Oct. 12, 2006 and is another affidavit of Larry Birkhead and the final 1 page is dated January 26, 2007, another Affidavit of Larry Birkhead, all filed in the Los Angeles California court concerning the paternity of Dannielynn Birkhead.
2. Exhibit L marked “HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL” consists of the 6 pages of the Affidavit of Laurie Payne dated November 1, 2006 in the case number BF 030 239 in Los Angeles California with an email as part of it. However, although this one is marked as “Highly Confidential” we have all seen this Affidavit on Geraldo’s show on March 31, 2007.
3. Exhibit M marked “HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL” is a 4 page Affidavit of G. Ben Thompson dated November 3, 2006 in the case number BF 030 239 in Los Angeles California.
4. Exhibit N marked “HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL” is a 3 page Supplemental Declaration of G. Ben Thompson dated November 4, 2006 in the case number BF 030 239 in Los Angeles California.
Then there is Exhibit BB 45 pages of online transcripts of shows, pages 16 – 30, marked “confidential”, I suppose because on some of the pages some one has made hand written notes in the margin, much like I have done with my copy of Rita Cosby’s blond ambitious book. The 2 transcripts are of The Larry King Live show, dated Friday January 26, 2007 and Nancy Grace dated Oct. 12, 2006, it is part of the online transcript of Nancy Grace that has the hand written notes in the margin.
We also have Exhibit O, a 3 page statement to the Royal Bahamas Police Force dated December 19, 2006 by Ford Shelley, which occurred after the dispute over Horizons was raging. In this document Ford Shelley remembers about the now infamous and disputed 2 tablets. I find this rather amazing that this was not a huge red flag for the Emmy Winning blond Rita Cosby since this had followed the attempted eviction, turning off of power and the subsequent restraining order issued in the Bahamas against G. Ben Thompson and all individuals acting on his behalf to not enter the property known as “Horizons”.
Exhibit H. is a copy of the Court Order where Judge Chin slapped Lin Wood’s wrist, wonder if Ms. McNamara wishes she had not made such a big deal over that fourteen pages of Cosby’s deposition, with McNamara filing of hundreds of pages of documents marked either as “Confidential or in some cases marked “HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL FOR THE EYES OF THE ATTORNEYS ONLY”, included with deposition pages. However, attorneys are just people too and like with all of us “shit happens”, even to them at their elevated pay scale.
That said I have selected 35 pages of the 118 pages filed accidentally by Cosby’s lawyer. The one perk in this is that I was able to go through and slice and dice this excerpted deposition to bring to you our readers the part I felt was important, not what perhaps some lawyer filed “accidentally”.
Why did I pick these 35 pages, because they made me laugh and they made me cry; get the Kleenex ready, we predict they will do the same for each of you.
The first four pages are a great example of four or five lawyers in the same deposition acting like “peacocks” or “banty roosters” jockeying for positions with tirades of colloquy, which in law is a routine, highly formalized conversation. (I. E. Conversations among the judge and lawyers (as opposed to testimony under oath) are colloquys.).
The next four pages is again way too many lawyers in one room with egos flaring, but on the last of the four pages we have Howard K. Stern saying; “I mean, I know that you have my stolen phone records… …And actually, this is during the timeframe where your client claims that she called my cell phone in her initial book proposals, and obviously that doesn’t show up on my phone records. Didn’t happen. But she didn’t intend the book to be truthful from the….”
The next four pages are like the first four pages, too many lawyers all practicing the art of colloquys, like who cares whom took what breaks and how in the hell did a lawyer have a stop watch with the exact times? Another example in my opinion of way too many lawyers doing way too much posturing, while some could argue doing way too little work for way too much money.
The next four pages has some posturing by lawyers but it has some statements that made my eyes tear up, an example is Howard K. Stern talking about Anna Nicole Smith in the present tense like she is still alive. Then there is this insightful and heartbreaking to me statement by Mr. Stern; “…and since that day, I have not taken any medication for anything. And I actually had a doctor recommend in I want to say November of last year that I go on antidepressants and sleep medication, and I just — Anna died from the effects of a combination of drugs and Daniel died from the effects of a combination of drugs, and I will not take any medication, regardless of what impact it’s going to have on my body in the future, ever.” There are also some questions and statements about the possible use by Anna Nicole Smith and her son, Daniel Smith of illegal drugs.
The next twelve pages are about the Estate’s finances and paying the mortgage on the Studio City home. These are the twelve pages I have read too many times to count since December 15 and each time, I cry just like the times before, I never get use to what is said on these pages. It ranges from Mr. Stern saying he views the Studio City home as belonging to Dannielynn, and Larry Birkhead had to decide whether to move into that house or sell it and buy another house for Dannielynn.
Here is part on an exchange that still makes me cry every time I read it:
“Ms. McNamara: Okay. I don’t want that. I want you to – then you tell me the quantity or sum you believe you’ve been damaged.
Mr. Wood: Do you want a dollar figure estimate?
Mr. Stern: I don’t believe that there’s any dollar figure that would make what I’ve been forced to go through worth it. The ridicule, the accusations, the lies that are made have ruined my life, my family’s life. I think it should be worth a billion. That’s what I think. And even then, even then, that would be a pittance. I don’t think there’s a person in this room that would accept a billion dollars to go through what I’ve gone through.
…The ridicule, talking about the people coming up on the streets, in the airports saying absolute lies that emanate from Cosby, this whole — …The only reason why I’m not suicidal is because I basically couldn’t do it to my parents, but I want to die. I mean, I know that this book was written because Cosby’s career was done and she had to get herself back on track. She had absolutely no, no concern about what it would do to my life. She knew she was relying on people who were liars… …She never intended to to tell the truth. She had no concern what it was going to do to me. Everybody in here, I wouldn’t even wish it on the people who are representing Cosby right now or Cosby herself what I’ve gone through. The lies. …My life is ruined. People, no matter what, because of this crap are going to look at me differently, think about me differently. My parents, what they have gone through. None of it, none of it, no amount of money. …Oh, it happened a lot. It happened to me when I was in Beverly Hills with my sister, shopping with her. And I was in the store, like deep in the store, and some lady comes to the door, is calling me every name in the book, a murderer, a fag, how could Larry and I get together and kill Anna. Speaking about my sister, does she have money, too, not knowing it’s my sister…”
As a friend I have talked to Bonnie briefly, off the record, I remember her telling me about the shopping incident when it happened and the hurt in her voice for her brother. Bonnie Stern is Howard K. Stern’s big sister, no matter the anger, no matter the pain, no matter what the last 2 years have done to all of their lives… well she is his big sister, with both the good and the bad that comes with that and no matter how much stress is in her life, you still hear the love and being protective of her younger brother.
Now Bonnie Stern has filed personal bankruptcy, one more life ruined in all of this.
Two years ago in what should have been a two day blog/forum war, the kind that happens every day online I am told, those 2 days has now stretched out for 2 years. That other site owner, the emails I have been sent where she is asking, no begging people to go out and find anything, just anything that can connect me to child porn, so many emails, calls to the FBI, to Social Security, to Medicare. It was a Pandora’s Box of horrors, and once that lid was opened no matter that it is 120% [since Cosby likes that number I will borrow it here], a lie, once again it has surfaced and once again like wild fire it has spread across the blogs and forums, with a life of it’s own, and no thought of it being a lie, or that accusations like that no matter how untrue can get our home burnt to the ground. No that lid on Pandora’s Box can never be closed now… Then you have the woman who bragged, and yes we have kept that post, bragged about crossing two state lines to turn cyber stalking of me into real life stalking, and they feel they are entitled… just because.
Well I think I will go have another good cry, seems like I am doing that most of the time these days. Ken and I have thought about closing this site, it is no fun anymore, the writing, discussions, the stimulating of the brain cells and thoughts, all now gone… However, that said, what we have gone through and continue to go through on a daily basis for the sole reason I never believed a man murdered two people, and I never will and for that my life has been destroyed too. Ken asks me what our life would be like today if he had never told me on February 8, 2007 that Anna Nicole Smith had collapsed in a hotel room… I think a lot of people would never have become involved or expressed their concern of a man falsely accused… but that is why hindsight is 20 – 20 isn’t it?
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February 2, 2009
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Rose for me this is the most powerful article you have written. I need to go and take some time to process some of this but before I go one thing I must say. Without you we would not have an intelligent place to go and discuss this saga and I know in the past two years a lot of this has taken its toll on you along with others but please do not give in to those who would love to see you shut this site down only to claim victory.
rose just arrive and wonder if you can post on yutube some extait of LKL tonight.Would love to see Dannielynn but don’t have CNN television.Rose if it is possible thanks so much now I am going to read your article
Oh saves!
Thank you! I had forgotten about LKL! It is coming on now… I hope that Rose can get you some of it on youtube, it not try LKL on the net for transcripts.
I will ask and I am sure we can get a tad of it on you tube
Rose….I cant find the other exhibits you are talking about. Were they added today for the article?
Rose a very good read.. Liz really didn’t like Howard answering how he has been so badly hurt. How his family was hurt. How it affects his life and those around him.
He is still grieving for Anna and it is in his words.
I am glad you did post that.
I tried to load Bonnies papers and it wouldn’t load so I think I will leave that alone. I think it isn’t my business to know, just too personal
I am also thinking about what you have said how this has affected you and Ken and so many others.
All I can say is I hate to have gotten so far to just give up now.
But also the knowlege and experience we have all had is unique and has made us stronger.
But the decision as always is yours and kens. You have my support and as much help as I can give
I agree with JMA a very powerful article. Reading your words and Howard’s words truly broke my heart.
It’s odd you talked about fun because on my folder were I keep a link to your site it reads ‘Marys Fun’ and I was thinking when I opened it tonight, this isn’t fun any more and was going to re-name it.
I sat back and watched them do this to you and Ken for over a year, never knowing what to do. I know now, the Lord has placed a plan in my heart I will follow his will. It’s wrong Rose and your reputation will never be repaired because the seed is planted and well rooted. We are left to confront and get answers after that action will be taken. The economy is getting better some of us are going to have some money again and we will be able to proceed forward with accountability.
Hang in there Rose and Ken Turner for you too have guardian angels. I am so proud of you and so happy you opened this site for I would have never had you in my life.
After reading what Howard said, it’s heart breaking and really wish our support group could have helped more. We lost so much after watching what they did to you because people are scared.
Finally the people who perpetuated the child porn lie should be looked at more closely because to come up with a lie like that tells me something about them and the authorities I have spoken to agree. They also agree with me on the stalking issue….this is serious business.
WoW! Just skimmed through the downloaded excerpts…
RC sure KNOWS how to pick ’em! That Liz sounds like D.O. to ME! When DO was ’screaming’ at HKS in the Florida courtroom!
Lin, sure can protect his client… IMO!
Saves, it is 44 minutes into the LKL show and LB is going to come on after the break.
OK, 6:53 and LB & Dannielynn just came out, the Judge had his 8 year old daughter come on the screen… went to another break.
LKL over in a few minutes… Looks like they will give them under 5 minutes of time on TV together.
Rose and Ken……..you both have come to far to let anyone break you down now. Too much heart and soul into this site. You live and learn daily and make mistakes, learn from and move on. You are right, the fun is gone. But it will come back soon I think. I enjoyed having a place to come daily and read without all the vile attacks that take place at other sites. This was the safe site for us all to come to. Done let evil win. You two are too strong, have learned so much, and will continue to learn every new day. Things seem to really be heating up with everything, but that too will soon pass. I think the end is near with this story. The Texas case dropped, NY with a huge win, and the SC is an easy gimmie. You must see it through after all the blood sweat and tears you put into it. If you decide not, I will understand that as well. So many lives have been ruined just because we wanted to support whom we thought was the right choice. No one deserved what came next. Very sad for all. Our side was great and no one ever lowered themselves to the criminal level as they other side did. We should all be proud and stand tall. I applaud you both and all the other lovely ladies I have come to know over time. We never lost our focus and turned to evil to offer our support for justice. We didnt have to for our side to keep winning they like they are. We are winners! We are not losers and dont give up, even under the hard pressure put upon us.
Dannielynn was GORGEOUS. I thought it was nice of the Judge to mention how great he thought it was that Larry and Howard were working so hard for her and working together. That was very nice to say. Anyone can see how much those two love her and will protect her no matter what or who gets in their way. Great job they are doing.
Rose,Ken,Bonnie Howard family,the words cannot explain how deep is my compassion for all of you who suffer of the human selfish.The speak and ragots of the persons who knew noting in this case,exept what they saw on news are incredible and so outragous.
Not only the 13 jury NG,GVS,Geraldo came in the game to falsey accuse a young men, no it was not and off. The dejeneration of the frensy media,the lies from Anna’s suppost close friends ,the theft of Horizon,and accusation to the hole family,father,mother sister,brother,made this 2 year a hell.
You Rose was the first one standing in public, for Howard K Stern’s defence .As we heard your voice, we came to you, to support Howard and Anna Nicole. We knew something was not right. You were the one, who was treat like a Salem bitch, cause you were standing up with the truth.
We saw so many persons passing ,to much bloggers,ordinary persons with the bad intentions ,with the goal to destroy you,or Howard, and all the Anna’s lover just for the goal to have a 15 minutes of fame,or try to make monnie,or by vengance,trying to change the truth. Just cause we were a bunch of women who did not belived HKS was a murder,we saw all the evil in this world.
We saw HKS,his family,make the right decision to protect Dannielynn.We saw Evil grandmother who try to gain money on the dead of her own family.We saw some trail who broke our hart by all the false details.
All this cause one of the most beautyful woman in this world, died of a broken hart.She let the most Precious gift a baby.
You know Rose, We realize how hard you are fiting to conserve your integrity, and protect the one you love and like.
The wish I have for the year, is, all of you who are suffering of the meaning of the selfish,you find peace and joy.
Widouth you Rose, we ad no place to support the case, and try to voice our support to a family who was destroy.
Thanks for the example, for the strengh,you show to us,by your experience we live in the ciber world, of supporting the truth.
God bless all the good persons I met here in your blog, God bless also Stern Family who were badely hurt.They show us a nice example of what is a real unit family, and for that they are the Winner!
Dearest Rose,
Please do not let that horrid evilness from those people at ‘T’ & the wicked ‘q’ herself get to you.
That is garbage, we all know that!
As, of any calls to any institution… That is a CLEAR obstruction of Justice!
A Criminal Action punishable by jail time and HUGE fines, not to mention the monetary amount they could be charged…
If you so decided to call those agencies and get the caller ID on these people!
They are true idiots if they believe that the government agencies do not ‘know’ who is calling them or if a payphone is
used… from what area.
I saw that garbage you are talking about… I see that ‘q’ ALLOWED that false crap to be written in her wicked box…
I think it is time we all got together and found you a ‘pro bono’ attorney like O’Q is for VA!
As, that is the ONLY thing I can think of to stop these absolute heathens! LOL they are worse than the stories they make up!
They are so interested in putting others down, they do not see clearly they are lower than the scum of the earth!
At least that is what I and many others think of their horrid tactics!
Please try to ingnore their ignorance and childess behavior. *Keep copies that you might need just in case though…
I just cannot understand WHY all of the Defendants in this TX case did not ban together and counter-sue these nuts!
AND! File false allegations on those two that have caused so much trouble!
Well, yes I do understand… it costs a very lot to do this… Still, I just wanted to point out how sick I believe they are!
That blonde in the red 4 door is real lucky it wasn’t me peering out the window that day the 2 bottom feeders decided to take a side trip to Rose’s house. I happen to be on the phone with Rose when it happened. I heard Ken charge out the door and you know what the chicken shit bitches did? They saw Ken and hauled ass. Spun out getting out of there so fast. Nothing like a big bad ass bully huh? Didn’t even come all the way up the driveway and yes, we do know who brought out dear friend there. She lives in the same county as Rose less than 25 minutes away. I bet they won’t be back again. Funny how fast they ran.
All of these comments #1-12, I read and I completely agree, I don’t want to sound like a cheerleader, I need to regroup and I will say this though, I Love this site! Rose this is a expression from way back in the day, Don’t Let The Bastards Get You Down!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!..
I wish I could become friends with Howard in real life so I could bitch out people who talked s*** about him!
I dare you to say that to my face bitch!!
I just hope and pray that he knows that we are here for him and that we all love and support him 100% and we are all so proud to say that we are supporters of his.
Stay strong Howard!!! We love you!!!
(((Howard)))
TZ……..I always said I would have loved to be in the Bahamas with those big tough gals who bragged about heckling Howard in the bar that night. Would have loved to have been there. We were to be and changed locations at the last minute. But oh the fun I could have had!!!!
Stay strong Howard. They are only evil. Dannielynn needs you. Your siblings and parents need you. You have many supporters. So does Anna to look after her things for her. Stay strong and hold your head up high. Never fear evil, it cant hurt you unless you allow it.
Roxy…….No kidding. They are not as tuff as they write about! Behind a puter is easier to cyber bully.
Very interesting read (although it seems Wood used more transcript space than Stern). It would have been nice to read the exerpt in it’s entirity as some will claim the snippets we can see makes one wonder if the missing portion might not portray Stern in a favorable light. JMO
Daisy [7] what I meant when I said this article was powerful was due to the different emotions I felt while reading it. I started with interest, wanting to know what was in the depositions and then anger at what Howard has endured due to Cosby’s allegation’s then ending with sadness due to how this whole thing has left Howard a broken man. Reading the words from this man leads me to believe he will never get over this regardless of the outcome of these suits. IMO it does not really matter to him how others see him, it is the emptiness he is feeling not having Anna, Daniel and yes Dannielynn in his life.
Lucky this one is for you.
While reading parts of Howard’s deposition he talks about the ridiculing he endured while trying to shop with his sister due to what Rita wrote in the trashy book of hers. What I did not see was any mention of the supposed ridiculing and taunting that was said to have been put upon him while promoting Anna’s movie in the Bahamas. Would you not think if it had happen, as they claimed it would have come up in the deposition? This would have proven not only is Howard being subjected to public criticism because of Cosby’s book here in the US but also, people are actually going out of their way and following him outside the US in order to put this man through even more hell.
FYI: My brother-in-law is dying. Right now he’s on a respirator which was my sister’s decision and will be her decision to remove. A decision that is agonizing to make, a decision that will be forever in her heart.
Yesterday as I was sitting with my sister at the hospital I thought of all the mean things this man had did to her. He talked to her as if she was a nuisance, she seldom did anything right in his eyes, she was abused mentally and physically. He was/is an alcoholic , every single day he drank until he passed out. He worked (never missed a day due to the alcohol), he supported his household and my sister taught him how to invest his money to the point he no longer had to worry about his future. She would buy his beer at the grocery store for him, she would go buy the ABC store when he demanded it.
Thinking all about this my mind wondered to Anna and Howard. Would someone label my sister as an enabler? Would they accuse her of his impending death. My blood boils at the thought of anyone hurting her, of anyone insinuating she was a contributor. He would have gotten the beer one way or the other, if he had to drive himself there and chanced killing someone on the way, it would not have mattered to him. And if she refused…her life would have been even worse than it already was. Yes, she could have walked out, left him (you have no idea how many times I begged her to do that), but she would always say I love him, I know you can’t understand but I do love him.
Looking at her now, I do know she loves him. There isn’t anything she wouldn’t do for this man. There again I thought about Howard’s feeling for Anna. How can anyone turn that into something other than what it is.
NCUser,Wow!!! Effective comment!!!
You really summed it up and your emotions are felt…God Bless you and your sister…
and it made me cry too….your sister’s life sounds hard and probably could have been better but it was her life to do with it as she pleases and we should give everyone that respect.
Roxanne [13] what I would like to know is what did this person expected to prove by going out of their way to find where Rose and Ken lived other then they are a psychotic nut.
TZ [15] I am with you, I would love for any of them to repeat the crap in front of me that they say behind the security of a computer. This is bullying shit is being carried too far and needs to end.
Dear Rose and Ken—–After reading your article,I can feel your depression,and sadness.So many lifes have been touched and destroyed,by Virgie constant and evil doing,In your thoughts,please know that you have helped so many understand,and enjoy contributing there thoughts to each outcome of the Howard Stern saga.Having your site has helped a lot of people work through there anger of injustice,Know,Rose and Ken you have MY appreciation.
NCUser [19] wow I am so sorry. I do know someone who went through this very thing sort of. She spent her entire life with this man enduring the daily stress that his alcoholism caused. There was a time she did separate from him but only to return and continue the pattern and yes even went as far as to getting his alcohol for him just so he would not go out and endanger the lives of others. Eventually he stopped drinking due to many health issues the alcohol had caused but she being his wife was right there taking care of him. Unfortunately, he passed away last Monday so here she is having to say goodbye to her husband only a few short months after losing her only son. I had told some of you in the forum about the loss of my ex brother-in-law due to complications from diabetes [some brought on by former alcohol and drug use] back in November, the service I will be attending this coming Saturday is his fathers.
NCUser my heart goes out to your sister. Please let her know it takes a very special person to withstand everything that she went through only to stay in the fight until the end. Regardless of all the stress and hell, he may have put her through in his time of need she puts it aside and with that, this shows just how much she truly loves this man.
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OR! It might just MEAN > Rose is keeping other’s confidential information… CONFIDENTIAL!
In fact, I am sure of HER intentions, others… NOT so much.
# 17,Wulfson, If you would like the rest of the transcript, to show HKS as a bad guy, ask RC or Mc namara. Sure they will be happy to sent it to you, all the rest of the transcript you desire, to have a nice an clear view. Then you will see how some criminal are able to do to release some”confidential and really confidential” papers on Pacer by idnadvertance!!!
By the way don’t forget to read “REAL AMBITION,” RC, 2007
Rose I new somes of the “good “persons were giving you a bad times.Bad Lucky and I were not at the Good place at the right time.
If some would like to meet me ,anytime any place,just take appointement!
savesomething [27] LOL
Rose, great article one of the best so far. I understand how you and Ken feel. So sorry you have had to go through so much pain. So sad that some people in this world get a HIGH out of destroying others lives. So sick also and there is a word for that but I won’t get into that now. I sure hope that Ken had a shotgun or rifle in his hand as he ran out the front door. I would have loved to have heard about the back tires of that red four door being shot out. Maybe another day!
The heartache that Bonnie, Howard and their family have experienced is insurmountable. As did the Ramsey’s and Richard Jewel’s family. Our nation has many who thrive on revenge and retaliation to others they don’t even know. Sad but true as some of us have experienced first hand.
I have supported and encouraged Howard since before Anna died and will continue too. As people can read in the emails written by Bonnie Stern one thing that shines out is her genuine love, care and concern for others and their families. In the midst of everything she was going through she took time to reach out to others. What a gal!
NCUser, my heart goes out to you and your sister, our thoughts and prayer will be with you.
#17 Wulfson, run over to QV’s maybe her and McCabe can get you what you want.
JMA……yes your right, supposedly VA, DC and others witnessed that harassment. I am sure he could list them all as there are so many. Might come up later if need be.
NCUser……………very sorry to hear about your loss. My thought and prayers will be with your family in this sad time in your life. Take care.
Saves………..you crack me up. You go girl. You and I together could be like the bad news bears!
#22 JMA, you hit the nail on the head, LOL!
Lucky I take back what I said [post #18] about the Bahamas not being mentioned. I should have read the paperwork before I spoke. Howard does mention it happening in the Bahamas at the market but know mentioning of anything happening during the Movie Premiere. So that takes me back to what I said earlier, if those two really got close enough to Howard and taunted, ridiculed, sent drinks, followed him outside when taking a smoke and commenting about his smoking to him directly and on and on Howard would not have any problem forgetting it and would have mentioned it during the Defamation.
Liz even has the nerve to inquire whether Howard suffered physical harm during those times of humiliation he endured. WTF would that have pleased her, Rita or Virgie if he had. What difference does it make what kind of harm he suffered point is he suffered due to those accusations Cosby put in black and white.
Lucky [30] I hope you are right about the possibility of all that coming up later. It would be nice if it came out during the Texas suit. As you said by their claim VA and Clark were witnesses to their childish taunting. Matter of fact didn’t they claim Clark sent over a drink to Howard? Now this kind of evidence could be very important to the Texas suit and if everything those two claimed happened in the Bahamas is true and VA & Clark knew, wow. There is no denying the two of them made all the claims due to the article written about their adventure can be found in certain sites not to mention quite sure, there are also screenshots as well.
correction #32 “but no mention” not know
What really breaks my heart is reading where Howard mentions suicide but how he could not hurt his parents with that, but then says how he really wants to die.
JMA……yes he did mention the Bahamas but did not say everything. Depos are for in general. He can get more detailed in the trial. Sure all that is documented and oh how they bragged and even hollered….hey yall got that DNA yet? What a bunch of bull balls, lol. So yes, he can bring that up in both cases I would think. Now word is that Wilma was real mad at them for that trip too. Not sure what all is factual yet. Those bull gals really helped the cases didn’t they? More than they know. How nice of them.
February 2, 2008 CBS/ET’s lawyer, Charles Babcock, Nancy Hamilton and Amanda Bush of Jackson Walker pick up Art Harris as a client in the Texas state Court of Virgie Arthur vs. Howard K. Stern, TMZ.com et. al.
http://www.rosespeaks.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&op=getit&lid=1516
Rose………………great news for Art. I sent you an email about not being able to download something. Let me know. Thanks.
Didn’t they also make a claim somewhere about Wilma and Clark having a drunken love affair? I seem to remember reading that somewhere. If it is true they said it Wilma should be really pissed.
Rose [37] that is excellent news.
Oh greattttttt new Rose !!!! i am happy about the move ….
JMA I heard about it to.Like Clark ad an a###### with W.
JMA……..dont think that was true. But since I was not there, then I cant say for a fact. But prob a rumor whore. That is great example of what they are willing to do to folks. They started making all that up after she got on to them for their behavior in the Bahamas supposedly. I really dont and dont want to know. All lies and gossip to me. I know for a fact their article was a lie and everything out of their mouths, so I would not trust one word they ever said. EVER
good for Art…hope all goes well for him.
Yes, savesomething and I think it was said that one of them was claiming Wilma confided in them about it.
You know I am starting to think the claim Whack made about one of them having legal counsel and is supposedly the reason they do not post [yeah right] on Topix anymore is for others reason than the one Whack is trying to make people believe. Meaning I, think Whack is trying to make it look as though that person is legally up against Targets but I think it is something of total opposite.
This all is clearly just from my own observation and opinion.
Lucky [42] oh I do not think it is true either and yes you are right it is the perfect example as to just how far those two will go.
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Wulfson
I talked with Rose about that and the conclusion was made that the info. was just to confidential. It deals a lot of with Anna’s financial affairs from my understanding and some of HKS’s as well as Dannielynns paternity. Things that Rose said are really personal and private. But, your right, it will be spun the other way and everyone knows it.
19 NCUser
I’m sorry your family is going thru so much pain right now. Your sister did exactly what anyone who loves an addict does. It’s a hard situation to deal with and not everyone knows what to do. It’s something I wouldn’t wish on my worst enemy.
#17 wulfson “It would have been nice to read the excerpt in it’s entirety as some will claim the snippets we can see makes one wonder if the missing portion might not portray Stern in a favorable light.”
This was filed by Rita Cosby’s lawyer, out of about 1,000 pages of transcript for 2 days of course they picked the 118 pages that made Howard K. Stern look the worse… that is Cosby’s lawyer’s JOB….
I got to pick out the 35 pages that I thought told the story about too many lawyers in a room fighting over every questions and the part about what HKS had gone through…
It is one of those things, I sat up that night I got the papers and for once like the lawyers I got to slice and dice what I put up and still did not release “Confidential Articles”.
Oh Rose. I feel so bad for you and Ken. I’ve been gone but watching and reading from afar trying to keep up.
The same feelings you have over this story I’m sure is magnified in Howard’s life and just proves more that the defamation case in NY will probably settle. So many lives ruined from gossip mongers and outright liars! And for what gain? There has never been anyone that gained anything over the early deaths of two lost souls. Early on at Art’s site, I wrote that those who had a hand in perpetuating the grief over Anna and Daniel’s death, to never have another rested sleep. And those that mourned to find solace and the hope that one day good could come from their deaths. There is still that hope. That the true story can be told and people can be helped that are still in the cycle. You can be an advocate for that. Please don’t give up.
Well, Jonbenet case reopend!! CNN
#19 NCUser I am sorry your family is going through this.
Your sister is a strong lady who loves her husband unconditionally.
She couldn’t change him but I bet she helped manage him so less chaos happened.
She will need a lot of support when he passes as so much of her life is wrapped up in this man.
My thoughts are with you…
Rose, Ken, Howard, and Bonnie. I’m so sorry that there are so many
evil people out there, that they have nothing better to..than to destroy innocent lives.
I hope you all reach deep inside and pull enough strength to go on and not let these
people win. I honestly do not understand how they can even sleep at night.
“That other site owner, the emails I have been sent where she is asking, no begging people to go out and find anything, just anything that can connect me to child porn,”
Just like how she sent emails out to certain people asking them, to “trash Bonnie” in their comments. Thats when I drew the line.
Rose, I’m not understanding the point of the Texas case now. What do they think they will get out of this case, money from CBS and TMZ????? Because it’s been made painfully clear that no one else has money.
1. First they sued CBS and Howard for the ET interview accusing Howard of controlling Anna to defame Virgie. Then McCabe twisted the suit to go after you for conspiracy after QV and Havana sent emails, using you for jurisdiction in Texas.
2. Then they dragged you and the bloggers into the case and accused you and the bloggers for the TMZ article.
3. McCabe after seeing all the emails figured out he was lied too.
4. After reading the email showing that Larry Birkhead was responsible. McCabe dragged Larry into the suit.
5. McCabe released you as the ring leader of the conspiracy after finding out the truth, you had nothing to do with the starting of the conspiracy.
6. Now McCabe is going after Art Harris for the interview with Virgie’s husband’s wife’s adopted son in prison, aired on ET/CBS + the articles he wrote.
7. So now McCabe is going after ET/CBS on two interviews using Howard and Art to connect the dots.
A. Also going after Larry Birkhead and Harvey Levin for the TMZ article using, Howard, Bonnie, you and the bloggers to connect the dots.
B. Using you, Lyndal and Teresa to make jurisdiction in Texas???
Sunflower [52] you are not the only one confused as to what exactly is trying to be proven either. IMO McCabe himself is confused which is why he keeps making these changes to the suit or he is just incompetent.
SpitfireGrl I was never part of that site so I am still clueless when it comes to everything that was done so if you do not mind me asking, what was QV’s reason for wanting others to trash Bonnie in their comments.
53. JMA, you are so right, who knows now, LOL. Anything goes. Wonder if the judge is aware McCabe has made changes, she said she was not reading all the paperwork?
#54 JMA, the orginial problem broke out because Bonnie asked Rose is read information that was coming from the researchers and didn’t ask QV if that was OK. So QV got mad at Rose and Bonnie for not keeping her informed. I don’t think Bonnie knew she had go through QV for permission.
#56 CORRECTION – Rose to read
Sunflower, oh so basically it was more of QV’s spiteful revenge shit against Bonnie to.
February 3, 2009 Lyndal Harrington Police report showing personal computer stolen and not available for forensic imaging which means that they will have to subpoena yahoo.com for emails.
http://www.rosespeaks.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&op=getit&lid=1517
February 3, 2009 Teresa Stephens Notice of Hearing for February 6, 2009 at 9:00 AM to ask the court to issue a subpoena to yahoo.com to retrieve old emails.
http://www.rosespeaks.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&op=getit&lid=1518
Sunflower………..the story in which they were originally suing over seemed to have changed now. Still keeping them for jurisdiction yes. Going after the big boys. Those big boys have sharp lawyers, wont be long now. The Judge be shading her head if she has read everything by now.
Spitfire……………are you saying they tried that with you too? I never heard about anyone but Rose they were doing it too. Sorry to hear it happened to you too.
Rose……………..glad to hear Lyndal is taking care of what she needs to as well. They need to cut those gals loose. It will never amount to anything worthwhile and maybe they know it by now. If it were me, I would make them buy me a new puter. I hear the experts can ruin things in the process.
Rose….I have lost track of things. Is the hearing Friday for the special appearances? If not, what. Thanks
Look like it was set for the 6 february,special appearances and Theresa was involve to.
As Qv Sun you are right and an oder thing was when Bonnie thanks all for the support she(bonnie) did not sent Qv personal thanks.Am I ok on this one??? look like it was so many years ago/
I just start to read affidavite A litlle error occur sayingdeposition 15 december 2009 lol!!
I will read but it look like I make invasion on private life…..sorry
I really wasn’t aware that Rose was considered the ringleader of the conspiracy, I though Rose was an agent. I thought HKS was the alledged ringleader. But having said that, when or how did McC release Rose as the ringleader?
trina,
There is NO RINGLEADER! There is no conspiracy!
Rose is NOT an agent of anything… except in the fantasies of the TX firm. IMO
I would like to KNOW your opinion on IF YOU believe what McCabe and VA is doing is right, I mean DO YOU THINK this TX State case has merit?
I know that no one else here does. Answer or do not answer, (I do not care really – as I have my own thoughts on it already)
…just thought I’d throw the question out there.
#58 JMA, that is absolutely right, neither Rose or Bonnie where doing anything wrong it was all in her deranged mind. Bonnie ask Rose to check things because after the mistake that JD made with the word incest Bonnie did not want that to happen again. But someone couldn’t except that Rose may have been better qualified. You can understand someone using the word queen in their name could have problems with that, LOL.
#60 Lucky, thanks they have twisted and turned this case so much it had to keep up, LOL.
#64 trina, if you read the court documents you will see that McCabe is the one using the references depicting Rose. Until he read the emails that Rose released.
#65 Beth, there was a ring leader it just wasn’t Rose, but you are right only in the mind of people having fantasies. And there was NEVER a conspiracy that was only in McCabe’s demented mind.
This whole mess makes me put my head down and cry.JMA and NCUser my heart goes out to you and your families.That is more than one can sometimes live with.. I can’t believe that someone would do what they did to Howard .Those type of people belong in avery closed off space as do the people who are stalking our members.No matter you beliefs you should do no harm first and fore most.These people from the dark side say they are true christians,well they sure do not act that way or the way God and Jesus taught us to behave.
I am Glad to see CBS is backing Art and hope it will help the rest of you.
Rose,Ken and moderators this is the only plac e I go to that I feel safe in posting my thoughts without someone trashing me or calling me names so I sure hope you keep this site open.But you must do what is best for you and yours.I just wish someone with big bucks would go after the stalkers and show them they can’t hide.I hope that with some of the things going on that the LE takes care of some things especially the stalkers.
Bewildered I have been very worried about you with what is happening up in Alaska and sure hope you and yours are ok.Sunflower you take care.I too hope Bonnie and the whole Stern family know we stand behind them and support them.
saves I am with you anytime anyplace especially close to hoem as I come from a cop family
and have back up if need be. Most of the dark side are cowards and as shown by what happened at Roses home they run when confronted.
post #52 said that Rose was released as the ringleader by McCabe. Maybe it was just an opinion, but it made me want to ask the question. Sorry, I know there was no conspiracy and no ringleader much less an agent. It was just us here on the internet doing what we do. As far as researching individuals involved, that happens all the time on message boards. Virgie Arthur is a piece of work, imho. And that O’Q has a screw or too loose, imho.
I am not real computer literate Like just today I found out if you had an email address and the money you could find out who it belonged to.Never even considered that even though I know you can pay to find out other things about people on the internet like phone# and addresses ect.Guess I am really back word when it comes to computers.Trina I though McShame always said Howard and Bonnie were the ringleaders and Rose maybe a conduit.You are right there was and IMO is no conspiracy except for the one against Howard .I guess i just don’t understand how someone could get so into a case that they could make death threats and try and destroy a persons life and lively hood.That is just plain mean,nasty and cowardly.
MY OPINION——McCabe want a ringleader,look toward his own client the mother of all ringleaders Virgie Arthur herself,Her comments,her actions her constant lying,OQ,McCabe Rita and the rest of the sub human group,who could care less about Anna Nicole and her son,I start shaking at the thought of what Anna went through with Virgie.(what does it profit a man if you gain the whole world,and lose your soul.)As I have said before,David Leigh statement should show Virgie as (ringleader) to her own demise.In keeping a family feud going,that would bring out family secrets,so if Virgie wanted it then,and it did not bother her,what is the difference when her family secret come out,Virgie Arthur put herself out there,and as bloggers,we all had a comment.As far as researching goes,before Virgie lost every round,trying so very hard to destroy Howard,she did not care what was said ,as long as she was in the news,only when she lost in the bahamas at the inquest,lost getting Dannielynn,lost in Florida,then and only than was she (DEFAMED)
Sunflower [66] OMG yes how vain is that. Wonder if Queen Elizabeth gave her the title
I thought it was hilarious when she was explaining her name/moniker to McCabe.
hmm [67] thank you.