Roland Carnaby Video of Shooting, it was Homicide, but was it Murder?
Posted by Rose in "Tony" Roland Carnaby, City of Houston, Don Clark, Don Clark ex-FBI, High Proflie Trials, Houston Police Department, HPD Cecil Foster, Randall Kallinen esq., Robert Kouts, Roland Carnaby, Susan CarnabyThe main stream media has now picked up the video of Roland Carnaby being shot to death by the Houston Police Department, [HPD], and the coroner ruled it homicide but was it murder? Why did the HPD and the City of Houston fight so hard to keep this video and the others out of the public domain?
If you look at Susan Carnaby’s list of witnesses, she has an expert by the name of Roger A. Clark, from California, that is listed as a court certified expert in jail and police procedures in Federal and State Courts. The HPD however does not list anyone that is not connected to the HPD. Which leads to the question of why no FBI or ex-FBI? The other question is since the computer in Roland Carnaby’s SUV ended up in the same building as the CIA, why are there no CIA or ex-CIA are listed on the HPD witness list? Why did Don Clark allegedly lie about knowing Roland Carnaby, to have it however later be shown Clark not only knew him, Carnaby had introduced Don Clark at a speech he gave only the year before.
Why was there no aid rendered to Carnaby after he was shot in the back? Some reports right after the shooting said that no police personnel had “rubber gloves that would have allowed them to render aid”. However, they did handcuff Carnaby so they were not afraid to touch a man that lay bleeding to death in front of them.
The video is graphic and caution should be used viewing it. However as I watched it, I noticed a couple of things, I could see both of Carnaby’s hands as he got out of the SUV, that an officer slammed the SUV door on Carnaby as he was exiting the SUV, thus Carnaby had both hands out and viewable as he began to fall to the ground. Carnaby was shot in the back, and yet there were officers that could clearly see Carnaby from a front view and could see that both hands were out of the SUV. Why did an officer slammed the SUV driver door on Carnaby? Accounts say that as Carnaby was exiting the SUV, that an officer on the passenger side of the SUV was using a baton to smash the side window, thus another question of why?
Per the records and witness list of the HPD, Carnaby made multiple calls to the FBI and the Internal Affairs of the HPD, could they and did they assess Carnaby’s fear level, and if he was agitated and angry enough to be of danger to any officer in pursuit? Why did so many police vehicles including a HPD sniper join the pursuit?
I have more questions then answers, but why was there not an outside agency called to come in and investigate the shooting in a total objective view of all of the video, statements of officers, and decide if it was justifiable homicide or murder?
Roland Carnaby was “afraid” to be arrested and had never been arrested before, so why was the officer that pulled him over for speeding was told to “find something to arrest Carnaby on”? The fact that Carnaby like thousands of others in the state of Texas had passed the rigorous requirements to possess a concealed weapon is listed as one of the reasons officers felt threatened and shot Carnaby, so if any citizen of Texas with a conceal weapon permit is pulled over, should they fear being shot? Why was there no weapons located in the car at the scene of the shooting, but they were later found after the SUV had been impounded? Who had Roland Carnaby’s computer and will we ever know what was on it? Does an outside agency need to investigate how the HPD handles these situations as Susan Carnaby is asking that the HPD began to handle these situations in the future differently?
You see I have more questions then answers in this, but it does appear this is a trial in the federal court in Texas that many will be following, long after the 30 second clip of the shooting is no longer being shown by the main stream media. Which brings the final question, why is the mainstream media not covering who is Roland Carnaby?
Read the reports filed by the Houston Fire Department EMT, the autopsy report that Rose Speaks.com has obtained and watch the video. Then tell us what you think. Was this a “righteous shooting”, or was it murder?
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October 18, 2008
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I’ve not read the autopsy report or the EMT report yet but from what I see on the video, I can actually see why he was shot. If you watch the slow motion of the video, after they finally get him stopped, at 2:34 in the video, the door is open and we see Carnaby as he is exiting the vehicle but he turns around and we see him from behind and it looks like he could be reaching for something. (remember at this time the cops already know who he is and that he has a license to carry a concealed weapon) At 2:40 with an officer coming around the front of the car, Carnaby suddenly turns around and as the officer is at the door, Carnaby lunges and trys to run. (this is when the cop slams the door but I think it was an attempt by that cop to either stop what he could have thought was Carnaby with a gun or stop him from running) At 2:42 Carnaby is shot. 2:45 he is on the ground and at 2:50 the door slams shut and the video ends.
It’s a hard call after seeing the video. You have to wonder why Carnaby was so afraid of being arrested or did he think he was somehow above the law and become pissed off because they dared to pull him over? There is a very significant time on the video where you can’t see Carnaby’s hands and you don’t know what he is doing. He very easily could have been reaching for a gun to go out in a blaze of glory so to speak. I think in situations like that, not being able to see his hands and his non compliance, the cop probably did the best he could in that split second decision. I don’t know. Like I said, it’s a tough call.
Off to read the reports.
I BELIEVE he was scared 4 his life. I believe their was a message. The media being there already and the aggressiveness of the HPD. What was the message?
What I see from watching the video is….apparently they were not afraid to approach him straight on. Isn’t the usual precedure after a car chase is to keep a distance, use the bullhorn and tell the driver to exit the car with hands up, then to lay face down on the pavement before approaching him? The officer approached the vehicle….asked “are you armed now? Duh!
Watching the slo-mo version, yes it did appear that Mr Carnaby did reach for something, and when the car door was slammed into him, he fell, rather than tried to run. The object that fell from his hand as he fell could well have been his registration papers? I am not saying that it was cold blooded murder…just saying that pulling the trigger might have only been a reflex. Harris County, huh? Don’t they also have trouble with using Taser’s appropriately? I hope for Mrs Carnaby’s sake, the real truth of the matter is proven. The truth is….this is just my opinion.
Just read an article by Wayne Madsen of www.waynemadsenrecord.com……The news helicopter of KTRK-TV that crashed in north Houston several days ago was the tv news chopper that filmed the Roland Carnaby shooting.
I guess my question is they knew who he was and where he lived why did they not stop and pick him up when he got home That happens a lot where I live instead of something like that happeningthe police let it go and wait at the persons home for them to show up.For Gods sake he was speeding not robbing a bank or killing someone
I have never seen or heard of a police officer,putting his head inside the vehicle,so I asked ,and was told it was NOT police procedure.In my opinion,Roland Carnaby had to have something in the car,the police did not want seen,I think the police officer was checking to see if that something was in the car,and then when he found it was , had to stop Carnaby was using whatever it was.
I havent watched the latest on tv but i do not almost immediately after it originally aired, the video was edited. There was a blog that outlines every second that was edited out and what happened during that time back when it happened. Wasnt he on the phone the whole time while being chased?
i do wish one of the policeman involved would speak the truth. Another very good question….is why the media allows liars and edits? What r people hiding all the time? Its like our news is one big agenda…