I did NOT Defame that MAN and if I did, Others Did it First says John O’Quinn
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In filings that began to appear on PACER at about 11:45 PM on October 3, and going well into the morning of October 4, John O’Quinn and the O’Quinn Law Firm has filed numerous Motions to Dismiss with a Summary Judgment against Howard K. Stern in the Southern District Court of Florida. There is also the Motions for “Leave” to file late by O’Quinn’s Florida legal team; although Don Clark’s Affidavit shows, it was not even faxed until after 7 PM [CDT - 8 EDT] on October 3. There is an update today that Robert Klein contacted Lin Wood about filing some of this “late”, [Again], and of course Lin Wood is not agreeing to the late filing. It is not as if this deadline just “appeared” it has been set since August 23, 2007 by the Court to have it filed ON or BEFORE October 3, 2008 at the latest. What gives with these after 8 PM Friday night filings with O’Quinn’s legal team?
What I find striking is the lack of Affidavits (only three filed), Admissions, Deposition Transcripts, Answers to Interrogatories, Document Productions during discovery, etc. to set out the “factual” basis for a Motion for Summary Judgment. What I have seen is many tabloid media writings filed to support that O’Quinn did not defame Stern, because just look at the “blog postings”. Then we have tabloid media filed to say, “You can’t find that someone defamed another based on Tabloid Media”. Are you confused yet on this double standard, is it going to become what the definition of “is” is, as in the Clinton years? Wasn’t Clinton impeached over that “meaning”? Being impeached and convicted are VERY separate issues by the way in the U. S. Congress. Do not get me wrong I am, and have always been a HUGE Clinton supporter, and think it silly we even had to spend that money on the investigation of what “is” is.
We still have a LOT of papers to download in the massive amount of documents filed last night and this morning. You are not going to believe all of the exhibits, little substance it appears so far and a lot to tabloid media and blog postings.
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seems as if they are trying to write their own rules. I am going to read the documents but the Judge has to agree after all.
You know what they always are saying on the other side, you put it out there, deal with it.
Right back at ya O’Q and team.
HEATH——OQ playing the late game again,this time Lin Wood is not falling for his (BS).OQ is now saying no one got hurt,I think the man is gone,is he working on senile,and he is trying very hard to try ANNA death over again,and make it come out his way,I tryed calling Nancy Grace show,line was always busy,Can someone find out what her show is listed as,and I DO NOT THINK TABLOID, that is the only word OQ is saying all the time.and even if bloggers did defame Howard it was because,A OFFICER OF THE COURT,and his client did it first,it started with Virgie,and went to OQ,and Howards life has been destroyed
I just read the entire Don Clark statement, it is shocking. Let me finish up with my family duties and get back to you. It is a must read.
http://www.rosespeaks.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&op=getit&lid=975
It is unbelievable the information this former FBI man has relied on to come to his conclusions.
http://www.lectlaw.com/def2/m043.htm
“MOTION FOR SUMMARY JUDGMENT – A request made by the defendant in a civil case. Asserts that the plaintiff has raised no genuine issue to be tried and asks the judge to rule in favor of the defense. Typically made before the trial.”
“Each element must be supported in the same way as any other matter on which the plaintiff bears the burden of proof, i.e., with the manner and degree of evidence required at the successive stages of the litigation.” Id. In order to defeat a summary judgment motion, the nonmoving party may not simply rely on his pleadings but must present some evidence on every material issue for which he will bear the burden of proof at trial. Celotex Corp. v. Catrett, 477 U.S. 317, 324 (1986).”
http://www.nolo.com/definition.cfm/Term/C0DBA947-FD3E-4677-BB0E35F0875C6054/alpha/S/
SUMMARY JUDGMENT
“A final decision by a judge that resolves a lawsuit in favor of one of the parties. A motion for summary judgment is made after discovery is completed but before the case goes to trial. The party making the motion marshals all the evidence in its favor, compares it to the other side’s evidence, and argues that a reasonable jury looking at the same evidence could only decide the case one way-for the moving party. If the judge agrees, then a trial would be unnecessary and the judge enters judgment for the moving party.”
and I’m in shock, read this mans credentials it is scary someone like this can come to this type of conclusion and made it that far in our government.
k i cant read docs but first thoughts off the title…he needs to make up his mind. I thought he was blaming his PIs.. So every antinoid blogger can b tied to his side (ie wilma)? Is he going for republshing? The man talked out his ass to win Marshal money. Plain as day. And LOST! Wahhhhhhh
I’m going to go read this again. Clark says he relied in part on on-line postings to come to his conclusions. And you all know what they have been doing for over a year. This man has virtually given us so much valuable information in his statement.
He also says Wilma Vice provided on line research…read it, to me he is saying he drew a lot of his conclusion based on what she told him.
He says he interviewed the authorities in Fl and Bahamas, yet they never charged Stern with a crime.
Wasn’t this the same man who was investigating O’Q prior to working for him? There is something terribly wrong here and this man worked for our government and is held to a higher standard. He was the law. Who do we turn to when a former FBI man does this and uses his former position with the government to harm an innocent man?
Who is don clark naming daisy? As supposed professionals they had absolutely nothing to go on and made the shit up.
Excellent Observation Butterfly!
They made the SHIT UP!
They are ‘Spinnig’ the truth of why they did what they did, and why they said what they said! IMO
OQuinn is acting like a child, ” Mommy John took candy too”, and he thinks this will get him off. He said the words, admit to it and be a man.
OMG! Clark just has to be KIDDING!!!!
Relied on a someone telling him there were a bag of drugs…
Relied on: Online information?? Yes, we KNOW everything on the WEB is absolutely true!
What an ASS!
Did not Believe Krista on the date of her fax machine… Then found out it was from Rale’s office – SO! then they did not believe Ron??? Again, What an ASS! My daughter has a fax machine and the date HAS NEVER BEEN CORRECT! Any power surge can mess the date up.
Found the story out “to be of dubious credibility…” MY God the only ‘dubious diabolical evil people’ – Well all Clark, O’Quinn & company have to do is look in a f-ing mirror! There is dubious for you!
AND! Give me a break on the resume in the first few pages! Just because you might have played fair and above the law at one time doesn’t mean that you do NOW! Just look at the letter trying to RE-OPEN the findings of Dr. Perper a ‘neutral party’ from the saga, WHO does have a ’stellar reputation’ NOW and in the Past!
MY God! Clark works for a company that is in front of an ETHICS Board how many times a Year???
That past resume of how Clark might have acted HAS NO IMPACT on THESE ACTIONS!
Any good and fair Judge will recognize this.
Oh and Clark saw several media reports that led him to believe there were several life insurance policies! Well, then they should be attached to this stretch of an affidavit! What media reports? Virgie’s assumptions? or comments on TMZ? What an ASS!
** WHAT SPINNING THIS IS! **
What a DUMB ASS! He believes Howard is responsible still for Anna and Daniel… What the hell has Clark been doing? Reading the absurd comments of the ‘Mommy Dearest’ lovers?
Clark will do every thing in his power to prosecute Mr. Stern? OMG! Is he living in Fantasy Land? HKS did not harm his loved ones! There is nothing to convince anyone that he did! Just wishful thinking on Clark, Arthur and O’Quinn’s part!
*Wonder what amount of percentage of the potential Marshall money Clark was promised if he could get HKS out of the way for Arthur to get control of Dannilynn? REMEMBER, a lot of these actions done by Clark and O’Quinn were done when they thought that Larry was in ‘the pocket’ of Opri! (or) that Larry could be manipulated by anyone! OH! What DREAMS they must have had! Kind of like mine when I get a quick pick for the Lottery! LOL
That affidavit of Clarks is: ‘ANOTHER ATTEMPT TO BULLY HKS!’ It is almost like; how dare you file suit against my boss…. you will be punished for this one! ONLY SCARE TACTICS! They just do not realize that Howard and Larry are not scared! As they have done Nothing Wrong! UNLIKE THEMSELVES!
What Clark and O’Quinn’s problem was is that they listened to the Rantings of an ESTRANGED Mother!
‘Proverbial gravy train’ My Butt! If it wasn’t for HKS keeping Anna from going off the deep end off and on for the last decade, or if it wasn’t for HKS helping her in the Marshall case and setting up deals like the Anna Nicole Smith show, ect… there would have been any money. WHICH there REALLY was not very much money in Anna’s estate. What TX is concerned with is what might come later from their good ’buddies’ the Marshall family! Not One of Clark’s statements is credible! Just a bunch of Spinning of WHY they did what they did!
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In ending this fairy tale of Clarks…
I quote: “…based upon the information that Ms. Vicedomine and I had been able to retrieve from an assortment of interviews, and based upon my own research and interviews of a number of different potential witnesses, many of whom agreed that Mr. Stern manipulated Anna Nicole through the constant provision of prescription drugs, in massive amounts.”
BULLSHIT! WHO??? Jackie Hatten? LOL Was that one of the interviews?
(or) Was it when Clark and Vice were ’interviewing’ the nannies? and TRYING TO IMPLANT SOME CONVERSATION OF A SEX TAPE?
Well as the nanny’s lawyer put it: “IT BLOWS MY MIND!” She stated this about Clark’s accusations and I AGREE with her!
Yes Febbie, Don is getting paid well to be the ‘fall guy’! ;) The Court will not give one ounce of credit to those 12 pages of crap!
butterfly he is naming wilma, posters and on line interviews
he does not name any other so called witnesses
I have a question, does he now have to provide all his information since he is telling us this is why John made those statements?
Now that he has said Wilma was partially responsible for his conclusions will he have to provide that to the courts (her material) and could this be the reason why the depo is not needed (BTW I doubted Wood made a mistake)? Will he have to provide the on-line postings in which marples will probably play a huge role? And the on-line interviews?
My gut tells me you can not just pull sources out of the air and use them as a reason to slander someone. I am extremely happy with what Clark has given us.
The question is who is in trouble, Clark, Wilma and team or O’Q? Is it O’Q responsibilty to check out Clarks sources? Isn’t it reasonable to believe he could be trusted? But where O’Q messed up was when he said he used exaggeration, he admitted he knew it was “hyperbole”.
Maybe this time OQ little game of death by one thousand cuts will get him, sometimes less said is better.
Beth love your comment!!!!! LoVVVVVVVVEEEEEEEEE IIITTTTTTTT
Good coverage Beth.
I have not read all the ducuments yet, since I am still upchucking from reading “Exibit C”, and the persons being relied on as “Reliable”.
Is this by chance the formula for presenting evidence to be used in the trial against the bloggers in the so-called Conspiracy case?
Online conversations..lolol for every conversation there were the facts…provided with proof…for everyone to read. No excuse for not seing the truth right in front of their eyes.
Raven, I don’t think so. I think it is Clarks way of coming up with a reason for his conclusions.
I won’t write Howard life has been destroyed, because every time Virgie sees that she gets a shity smerk on her face. I will say his life has been tossed up side down. But he is coming around and doing just fine now. He has a reason to be happy because he is in DL life, and can see she is a happy baby. Now that is one thing Virgie will never have is DL in her life. Virgie said she will keep coming after Howard. Well, Virgie what has it got you? NOTHING. Now I have the shity smerk on my face. Beth, You said it the best in your post. ARE THEY KIDDING….
I just read Clark’s statement. It’s unbelievable that a man of his background could submit such a mess of gobbly-gook mumbo-jumbo to a court of law. It’s just embarrassing to read it. I can’t help but be struck by the similarity between Clark and Cosby in the way they both rely so heavily on their credentials to give themselves credibility, yet in both cases they come across as being gossip mongers instead of professionals. In otherwords, the investigation that O’Quinn relied on allegedly was little more than the opinions of his investigator and non-credentialed sidekick who surfed the internet for postings and interviewed the same people who any professional investigator would question their agenda and credibility.
He used “media reports” for proof of 7 insurance policies and never checked it out? Then O’Quinn repeats that story on national TV as a motive for murder?
Wood isn’t going to work very hard to establish a reckless disregard for the truth IMO.
good point Ann
Your post are always so elegant and to the point
And the part about the postings I strongly believe some of those bloggers were nothing but paid bloggers to promote OQ agenda.
Don Clark said “I will continue to use every legal means available in my power to develop evidence which will convince the appropriate authorities to prosecute Mr Stern.”
When Don Clark made this particular proclamation in his statement, he said “develop evidence”, did anyone else think that was weird? How can you develop evidence to convince quilt? I always believed police took the evidence and sent it to the lab and they determined if a crime was committed. If Clark is saying he is going to develop evidence, it says to me that is exactly what they are trying to do with all this blogging and frankly I think he should be reported so authorities are aware of what he is doing to protect an innocent man.
I mean they are using the blogging to come to conclusions and attempting to develop evidence.
And what did they say to the dept of justices? And it appears the reports given were based on what was said in his statement. And is this considered making a false report to authorities?
Do we now need to report to authorities what we know to protect an innocent man?
Daisy, thanks [20]
Clark’s statement is so bizarre that I’m surprised Klein filed it. Clark is really showing the court the malice they have toward Howard. Their “opinion” is that he is guilty based not on facts and evidence but on what? The whole thing is so convoluted.
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BETH—–No matter how many times,they were told the duffle bag,did not contain drugs,he is trying to case the case reopen,Anna could NOT have taken other drugs in the hospital,and Howard explained why,ANNA just gave birth,and the hospital does blood test every morning,on new moms,I am sure the duffle bag contained personal items you take to the hospital like slippers hair brush toothpaste,night wear.Florida court should be aware,we in Mass have a FBI agent, gone bad in the Florida courts right now,Former agent John Connelly,who helped a mob figure escape(A TURNCOAT).OQ is hoping Don Clark,s past record with the FBI, WILL COVER HIS BUTT,(O what a web we weave,when first we practice to deceive)I am heading back again to OQ own statement,and it has nothing to do with Don Clark information.(I was leveling the playing field) MALICE
OK,everyone,one of our questions was just answered.”I had asked Don Clark to get involved in the investigation of Anna Nicole Smith and her son Daniel,THE MOMENT I WAS ASKED BY VIRGIE ARTHUR to represent her in fighting to secure custody of her daughters body in Florida. To me,that takes cares of “her son asked for help for Virgie,and it also for me takes care of the PRO-BONO qusetion,Virgie asked for OQ to represent her,he did not take the case on (loving grandma)I hope those IRS records are checked very close.
Develop evidence…. OMG what an embarrassment. Its actually good they make asses out of themselves and continue with showing their incompetence and continuing attempt at putting HKS down…just proves it all the more. lmAo i wonder what the hAters r saying lmao!! Virgies smirk is disgusting. Who does that when calling their granddaughters hereditary problems the result of drugs? Thank God larry isnt letting that woman in dannielynns life.
DAISY——What I think Don Clark meant by saying developing evidence,was he was going looking in every place he could,with every person he could,and comming up with the answer HE WANTED,that did not happen.
They had absolutely no proof. Relied on gossip. Hehehehe love the stupidity and obvious sleezeball investigation. Hehehehe john nazarian has an article up regarding illegal govt activity. I watched a movie the other day with denzel…true story about huge drug dealer. At the end 2/3 of the DEA was involved in the trafficking and illegal activities. We see corruption on an almost daily basis and it is beyond out of control. Where is the bribery coming from? Whos running things that r so out of control?
Agree with you Butter,
Anyway just looking at his monkey face you can have a good idea of the guy.Sold, this monkey is sold to anyone who is able to pay him for his service.Not a good name for FBI.
Okay, been reading the exhibit C stuff. What happened to O’Q whining about context? O’Q is totally highlighting what suits his purpose, and not the totality of the articles. For instance, in the ABC article it states that Virgie is the only one directly pointing the finger at HKS, and that she started doing this shortly after Daniel’s death. It states that the rest is all speculation with No Evidence. From there you have Mark Furhman doing his thing like only Mark can do. Which is posing lots of questions…..but no answers. Than We have FShelly as the “witness” in the Bahamas, Ahem. Then there is that “good friend” of Virgie’s by the name of David Lee (Leigh). Wasn’t he Virgie’s spokeperson that preceeded the mighty O’Q? And profitted by getting all those exclusive snapshots of the poor grieving grandma/mother? But my all time favorite is most definitely the “bastardly poll” that says 60% of the pollers say HKS is a killer. Okay then, if the bastardly poll says it then it must be true…..
I have not read the documents yet but WOW Beth your coverage [12] pretty much says it all.
Let me see if I get this. O’Quinn is saying he should not be held accountable for repeating something that was already said via media. Do I have that right? Ah, at one point did he not say he was only repeating what his client felt? So, which is it now, his client or media?
glenna it rather seems like a double standard. O’Quinn saying he agreed with a pole of 60% thinking Howard was a killer but files suit against TMZ for a pole-showing majority thinking it “yucky” that Virgie was married to future stepbrother.
A lawyer can have one mistake and say something to the media that give him a bad mouth.But for a lawyer like O’gin repeat it so many times in so many differents media is lack of professionalism.More for O’Q is intend to destroy HKS for open his way to Marshall money.
savesomething I agree O’Quinn is supposed to be a highly professional Attorney who knows better.
I cannot believe,what I read in OQ papers to the court, to put it in day to day terms (screwing himself)Under Florida Law,the elements of defamation are as follows Defendant (1) made a statement (2) that was false (3)to a third party( ie) Defeendant puplished the statement,Plaintiff suffered damages,as a result,First of all,his mouth should have remained closed until inquest,was over and the florida police investigation was over,so OQ ,did the first two,puplished would be LIBEL. NOT SLANDER,And anyone that does not think Howard and his whole family suffered damages,is crazyer than OQ AND HIS FIRM
Good morning all!
Just catching up on your comments… Very good points by everyone here.
I agree w/ Beverly’s last comment. HKS has most definitely suffered damages, I just wish that is was not so difficult to ‘prove’ that in a Court of Law.
Sometimes, after a lot of work and time (which costs money) in a civil defamation suit – all you can recoup is just that. It is not like back in the day of huge monetary compensations.
What I mostly hope for is that DC & O’Q will be found out to be who they are and be found guilty! This will also help in the TX suit against HKS, TMZ and the people here. I wish that the Court, the jury, and even the laws would see clearly as we do what is going on here! I believe in my heart that the ruining of Howard’s life and name was done on purpose and w/ intent to harm. They (TX) were trying to achieve a goal AND HKS was in their way. Again, I do so hope and pray that the Court sees as clearly as we do here.
I have to take care of a few errands today, I hope to finally make it to the chat room this evening…
It has been a while since I have been able to, about 6:00 pm PT, 8 blog time & 9 pm ET.
Look forward to visiting you guys tonight.
There is one important thing that bothers me tremendously!
WHY is Clark & O’Quinn working so hard at letting Don take the blame on the manufactured evidence they say they have?
*I would so love to really see exactly WHAT Wilma has done in the past/present… like the places she has worked and HOW she truly got involved in this.
I know in my gut that this WV is a main key, but w/ TX working this hard at taking all of the blame on their ‘findings’ (which is such a joke). It just makes me more and more curious at what they are truly hiding when it comes to Wilma.
See you in chat this evening. ~B~
Ok I just got off the phone with radio shack they sell printers with fax machines, I also checked with my electronic geek friend and neither of them know of a fax machine that automatically sets the time and date. They say you have to manually set your machine with the correct time and date. I am trying to verify John’s story that a fax machine sets time and date automatically and can’t find even one that does. I was thinking maybe his did and that is why he thought the fax auto does it. If anyone knows of a fax machine sets the time and date automatically please let me know.
Ok might have found the answer to my question and why John thought the fax updated time auto. I’m going to give him the benefit of the doubt on this but he should have checked out what he was talking about before saying it in court and on national TV
I don’t believe ignorance is an excuse to slander someone.
this fax thing bothers me here is why the fax was not updating time and date
and it is only one reason
http://www.aastratelecom.com/cps/rde/xchg/SID-3D8CCB6A-DDB93486/03/hs.xsl/22497.htm
Why does the Clock Display Lose or Gain Minutes, or doesn’t Update with Caller ID messages?
Cause 1: “User has manually set the date and time in the Telephone Options”
When a user manually sets the date or time in the telephone options, the
telephone stops automatically synchronizing it’s clock with every phone
company Caller ID message. It now relies upon the 60Hz power line frequency
to keep the clock accurate. When that frequency drifts, so does the
telephone’s clock.
Solution: Return the phone to automatic clock synchronization. Unplug the
power adapter for 5 seconds to restart the telephone. Don’t use the
TIME/Date Option to set the date or time manually.
Cause 2: “Wrong power adapter is being used”
Use of the wrong power adapter can result in erroneous clock synchronizing
pulses and therefore cause the clock to drift. A DC adapter completely
blocks the synchronizing pulses and should not be used at locations where
incoming calls are infrequent (one every few hours).
As explained in Cause 1, the clock will be synchronized with the phone
company time and date as each new Caller ID message is delivered. During
periods where incoming calls become infrequent, the telephone must maintain
the clock’s accuracy by monitoring the power line frequency. It can only do
this when the proper AC power adapter (the factory supplied adapter) is
used.
Solution: Don’t use DC adapters. Always use the proper Aastra/Nortel 16VAC
250mA adapter, specially designed for this telephone.
What are the options for the 9417cw?
There are 9 options, they are as follows: (The unlabeled set option key is located under the sliding panel)
* Option 0 Set the Time and Date To resume automatic date and time setting (if the date and time has been set manually), disconnect the power supply, then re-connect it. After your first incoming call, the date and time are automatically set if you subscribe to Call Display from your local telephone company.
and if you unplug your machine and it is not set up auto update and/or you don’t subscribe to caller ID with the phone Co. it is just like Krista and Ron said they didn’t set the time and date manually.
The whole fax issue is simply a red herring. All that has to be done is to show the telephone records to prove when the will was faxed. Barth had already shown the court her fax log and O’Quinn was there when he did. One thing that Clark’s statement shows is that there is a vendetta against Howard. Apparently O’Quinn and company see themselves above the law and believe they can hound a man who was never charged, arrested, or even a considered a suspect by LE because of their “opinion”.
Exhibit F Nancy Grace on March 26, 2007, I completely remember watching that show and getting so angry I wanted to throw something at the tv, My husband came in and asked what I was so pissed about, It was because when Daniel Horowitz was speaking Nancy cut him off and I really wanted to hear what he had to say to O’Q, Daniel said ” If she weren’t sick, If she weren’t despondent over the death of her son, she would have survived this. And Howard Stern did nothing wrong. And let me tell Mr. O’Quinn that, in my opinion, you’re irresponsible in your allegations against Howard Stern. And I can answer each and everyone of your attacks if I had the time.” And true to NG form imo, She cut him off, I was so mad, I remember thinking that day after day all we hear is negative from O’Q and at one point I truly thought that O’Q must of had a stroke or something because he seemed to have slurred speech. I would have loved to hear Mr. Horowitz explain to O’Q just how irresponsible he was with his accusations. And I was just hoping that Howard would go after O’Q for his attacks on him.
In order for RRale to FAX the will to Krista Barth 4 days before ANS died, Krista would have had to be involved with HKS and RRale prior to ANS’ death. So just when did Krista become the attorney involved? Surely not before ANS died. End of conversation, imo. It is kind of like logical thinking. Which VA and O’Q do not do well.
I started to download all the exhibits that O’Quinn submitted, and I can’t help feeling, why bother? Does he really believe that the judge is going to enjoy wading through all this media speculation as if that is going to justify his statements? Everyone knows that there was a media frenzy going on that was driven by ratings. Respectable news organizations were using for sources checkbook “journalists” from The Globe, National Enquirer, TMZ, and true tabloid TV shows. These are people who on a normal day respectable journalists wouldn’t even spit on let alone use as sources.
All of this came to a screeching halt when Lin Wood came on board to represent Howard. The media knew the party was over, and they were in danger of being held accountable for their recklessness and excesses. The silence was deafening. That silence speaks volumes.
It is annoying to watch a man slander a man in grief in an attempt to persuade the American public Howard did something wrong. Then to go to the justice dept with this kind of flimsy evidence. And the justice dept knows damn well what is happening in American with the deaths due to the overuse of our prescription drugs. And they also know the statistics. And they know why doctors are trying so many different drugs on ppl to try to help them. They know about the drug companies and their little pushers…let’s talk about the real problem and let’s take the focus of this poor man in grief. And my prayer every single night is justice is served to those who know what they are doing yet still continue.
And what I mean by this is some of those ppl really believe HKS is bad because of their ignorance they refuse to see and hear. But to the ones who know what happen and continue with their agenda, I pray your justice will be served and I pray for God to intercede. And I also pray the justice department will do something if indeed a false report was filed. Clark was in law enforcement and knows the standards needed to meet a crime.
Symptoms of madness
Don’t let your eyes refuse to see
Don’t let your ears refuse to hear
Or you ain’t never going to shake
this sense of sadness
Maria Shriver: Anna Nicole Smith Is Reason I Won’t Return To NBC News
“Maria Shriver said she won’t resume her TV news career and the late Anna Nicole Smith is the reason why.
Shriver, speaking Tuesday at a conference on women, said the media circus surrounding Smith’s accidental drug overdose death last February led to her decision.
“It was then that I knew that the TV news business had changed and so had I,” Shriver said. “I called NBC News and told them I’m not coming back.”
Hasn’t O’Quinn one of the ringmasters in the “Media Circus”, or is he now trying to claim that her was just one of the acts?
Ann, I truly believe O’Q is going to be held accountable for his malice attempt to destroy Howard. I also believe the ppl who enabled him will be held accountable too.
So O’Quinn relied on his investigator who has never been wrong about anything before, and when he made the statements he made them in good faith and the belief that they were true.
So why did he say the public would have to be stupid if they believed what he said on these programmes, and that in any case it was only rhetorical hyperbole?
Lizzie, that is what I meant when OQ little death by a thousand cuts game back firing. He said to much in all those filings and proved he knew it was exaggerated. They also showed his malice attempt to harm Stern with Don Clarks statement.
They are going to pay for what they did to Stern and pay big time.
Daisy [39] I have an All-In-One which is printer, fax, scanner & copier and yes every time there is an outage I have to manually reset time & date.
Ann,
#49 – Maria was right, the TV news and media acted like the ‘boundaries’ were gone. IMO
I remember others talking about how could so much time on the airwaves be on this story; while there were other pressing problems we could do something about that were going on in the world.
I can’t help but think if Virgie would have just stayed out of Anna’s life after she passed as she did when Anna was here… How different and less complicated this whole saga would be.
There should have NEVER been that circus in FL about where Anna’s body should be laid to rest.
** Anna purchased (4) plots in the Bahamas. End of story. **
How ironic that all the low-life people just seemed to come out of the woodwork after Anna died, especially the Hattens!
I am so very glad that Virgie’s past life and her horrible actions that she chose to make were exposed to keep that precious innocent baby safe. Anna only trusted Howard with her children’s safety, even though that baby is with Larry her bio dad; thank God Howard is still able to carry out Anna’s wishes for Dannielynn’s future. I cannot even imagine if VA and O’Q had a chance to get at any of the ‘potential trust fund’ of that baby from the Marshall estate! Dannielynn would not have anything left for her future!
Anna’s biological mother has already proven over and over that her best intentions are only for herself, NOT her grandchildren!
ie: Splash money, ect… and being part of the conspiracy to say there was a ‘tape’ out there that put HKS & LB in a bad light! Boy, I am also so very glad that lie BACKFIRED on her, Clark, & O’Quinn!
As I was reading
As I was reading,the media summary with OQ motion of no malice.,I began to feel a lot of anger,All this from the media stated when Vergie and OQ went on National tv and over and over again stated Howard was responsile for Anna and Daniel death,IT WAS STARTED BY oq and Virgie,just like to book was written by Rita and thrown out there ready or not,as long as the public got upset and angry at Howard.Facts are facts,FLORIDA AND THE BAHAMAS HAVE RULED.again to my way of thinking OQ has just showed the judge the malice and the harm that was done to howard.ALL THIS MEDIA FRENZY WAS STARTED BY VIRGIE AND OQ.It is one of the reasons Rita could not stop to verify her facts first,the inquest was comming and they wanted Howard found guility of something.and now OQ thinks her can make the judge reopen the anna nicole smith case again.VIRGIE AND OQ wanted A LYNCH MOP.And are still working at it
Yes Beverly, I also feel that anger. But I am comforted by knowing that the Courts and the public opinion of Virgie and O’Quinn is:
SO WELL KNOWN AND UNDERSTOOD BY THEM! (they have shown their true agenda, their ‘hand’ if you will) It is TOO, TOO LATE for ANYONE TO BELIEVE A WORD OR FALSE ACCUSATION THEY HAVE TO SAY ANYMORE…..
There is NO WAY ON EARTH, that ANY LE, AG, or anyone in the Justice profession would listen to O’Quinn, Clark or the nutty estranged mother of Anna!
I feel that in my heart and gut! And just what is VA going to do? When the Marshall estate does settle a few years from now… when Dannielynn is 5 or 6 and in school… then decide to try and get custody? It is over, way over for her to ever see that child again; it is also over in trying to trap HKS in a lie.
Howard will never be accused of any wrongdoing as he did nothing wrong. I bet he is not afraid of O’Quinn and Clark’s threats of ‘getting him’!
Larry may be a good guy, but Virgie has shown over and over that her intentions were NOT in the best interest of that baby! He will never change his mind, and by now he knows the full story of Anna’s horrible childhood. I bet Virgie will go to her grave never being able to sell any pictures of Dannielynn like she sold of Daniel! As, Larry and Howard will not allow her to have anything but published pictures in a magazine… I bet she doesn’t even keep those.
Bev # 28 sure looks that way doesn’t it
JMA, the fax thing bothers me because I wanted to give O’Q the benefit of the doubt and maybe he did not understand how this could happen. But it didn’t take me but a few minutes of my time to find out the way it could happen.
Not everyone knows how to set up to auto update time and date and not everyone subscribes to caller ID. Wasn’t this a home fax machine it was coming from?
BTW I really did ask the guy from radio shack and my geek friend didn’t know you could do it either.
It just bothers me the way it was presented in Clark’s statement. And then the part about Anna’s will, they know HKS did not draw up Anna’s will. And they can’t seem to get it though their thick skulls Howard didn’t care about the will at that time. Barth needed it to fulfill Anna’s wishes. It makes me feel like these ppl have never experienced the emotions of losing a love one. Or have they lost a love one and didn’t feel the same thing most of us feel? I lost two love ones under the exact same circumstances in ’07 and I know how disoriented you are.
It was a no brainier she would want to be with her son. No grandmother should have been fighting her daughters last wishes. And that part about HKS being the dad, they know, by law he was the dad. I’m sorry but that is the way the law works in the Bahama’s and that is the way Anna wanted it. I really think he pulled himself together pretty fast in the best interest of the child considering the circumstances.
The entire statement is full of speculation and theory. A professional is held to a higher standard.
I hope this works! On a scale of 0-5 my internet connection is working at about a 0.5 right now. At best!
oh man oh man I cant wait till this goes to trail!
Where to beginning?? First of all, believe it or not, I actually do have great respect
for Don Clarks’ long career….and its gonna come to an end because of VA out of all people!!..LMAO!!!
From what I can tell it really seems like JOQ’s ONLY “witnesses” will be done Clark and WV. So it does seem
like one way or the other lin wood is gonna be able to get his hands on him. And
All I’m thinking while reading his avd. is that I can’t wait for the popcorn show I’m gonna get
while this guy is cross examined. Its gonna be tons of fun!
I cant wait to hear what he has to say- or bumble around- when he tries to expaline why LB still lets Howard
see DL. Enter Rita Cosby’s Larry and Howard are gay allegations…I really think that at the end of the day everything in regards to JOQ, and DC and WV,
and Rita Cosby and all the other players in this sorid tale is gonna end up wraping up into a nice little bow for Lin and Howard. And for Larry to.
To team O’Quinn: Get over the fact that you where dumb enough to allow yourself to represent the person Anna said her mother was evil, delayed her own daughter’s funeral at least three diffrenet times and gave up ANY chance she had to be a part of her granddaughter’s life by fighthing the father for even ANY sort of custody and let both Howard and Larry raise DL and do whats best for DL in PEACE!
Beth you have said it all and just right.Seems like Don Clark will be the fall guy and will hope that what he claims about himself is true.He sure likes to brag a lot doesn’t he What he may have done in the past does not make him a good guy now.Sounded like they were trying to manufacture evidence and use Clark to try and get it thru.Bev is right just because hewas FBI does not make him a better judge than other LE,in fact going to work for O’Quinn after investigating him and saying there was nothing there does not say a lot for him or about him
In all honesty I can’t remember anyone in the media trying to link Howard to Daniel’s death until Virgie started making the media rounds with her accusations. The only thing that I remember is people remarking about how tragic it was for him to have died so soon after the baby was born. In fact IIRC the initial reports said he died of a massive heart attack. It was only after Virgie got onto the media that the idea of Howard being responsible got out there and started to snowball.
The other thing I remember is watching Geraldo after the report that methadone was found in Daniel’s system. Upon hearing this, Geraldo was on the air saying that Daniel must have been a heroin addict because only heroin addicts take methadone. The reason I remember it so well is that I was so pissed that I send him an angry email about it. Ironically, just a week before that I saw a piece on 20/20 about the epidemic of methadone deaths due to doctors prescribing it to patients for pain. In my email I told Geraldo that he really needed to find out what the hell he was talking about and directed him to the 20/20 piece. ABC also put an article on it’s site that recounted the show.
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Story?id=2475616&page=1
The “Howard is a murderer” idea in the media started with Virgie as I recall it. Anna’s video was in response to that.
There is an excellent post by “Only Swims in the Ocean” on TMZ.
http://www.tmz.com/2008/09/02/howard-k-gay-schmay-now-you-pay/23#comments
I so wanted to visit in Chat tonight… I went there and this is what I got:
JN52. **URGENT NOTICE – THE LICENSE FOR THIS PARACHAT ROOM HAS EXPIRED, OR HAS NOT YET BEEN ACTIVATED!**
Anyone know what’s up w/ the chat room? Thanks.
hmm, thank you, I believe Ann is very correct on everything she stated in #61 also… Great observations, Ann!
Beth – I got the same message – guess we’ll just wait for an answer. I’ve tried Chat for a couple of weeks, been too involved in the Campaign.
oops – I haven’t tried Chat for a couple of weeks.
Sammy! Boy, I have missed our political talks!
I hadn’t been in chat for a few weeks, so I was surprised when I saw the message…
Cannot wait to see how Tuesday night plays out being a ‘Town Hall’ format for the next Presidential Debate. Hope McCain loses his cool!
Both McCain & Palin are starting to play really dirty w/ Obama. I heard her in a rally say that Obama was friends w/ a terrorist… Ayers.
Then McCains ads are putting him down terribly! They are running scared. I guess the Republicans believe that she can verbally put him down all she wants and it won’t come back on her. But it won’t be Obama that starts throwing the dirt of her and her husband refusing the subpoenas in AK, or about being blessed by a minister who still believes in witches.
God help us if McCain and his temper and her inexperience get in office! They will have us fighting w/ Russia within a year!
Saw a program this morning that had on people from high offices all over the world. It was stated if Obama gets in office, that the US will get over 50% of the respect back that we have lost with the rest of the world. I agree with them.
I’ll be thinking of you on Tuesday night Sammy! You take care dear. ~B~
Beth – in full agreement – the program you were watching was GPS on CNN – every Sunday – Love the show. Wish you and I could talk.
Me too Sammy! That was the first time I saw that program, I might be off on the percentage amount… but it totally made sense to me!
Well Sammy, if the chat is not up later this week… maybe we could meet on the forum Wed. evening? You will have to leave me a message here and let me know Tue or Wed… as I haven’t been on the forum in quite awhile either.
I am out for the night, sure wish we could have had about an hour or so of quick back and forth Sammy! I so agree w/ your whole take on all of these politics! LOL We think so much alike! ;) Talk to you soon.
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http://www.tmz.com/2008/09/02/howard-k-gay-schmay-now-you-pay/23#comments
Ann is right! “Only Swims in the Ocean” has a few posts on this page… please check out #341 (towards the end. “malice is shown in several areas.” They list (5) excellent points! Then end it with this statement:
“O’Q provides enough evidence of his malice and lack of due diligence in this Motion for Summary Judgment to be found liable of defamation by a Jury, not the contrary.”
Truly is great INSIGHT! Great reading…..
Beth – if Chat is not working – will meet you in forum Wednesday night – just give me a time – will be looking forward to it.
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Ann- thank you so much for the link – Swims did a wonderful job in explaining the docs.
As I was going over court docs this morning,and reading what a great man ,so full of intergrity Don Clark is,and read his backround,I thought to myself ,all this intergrity and Clark,cannot tell a straight truth,in who the actual sourse of the sex tape comment. AND BIG FAT LIAR,is that what is called intergrity in oq eyes,A LIAR
on the 23 documents up from Oct. 3, I have gone back in and did a more detail description, 1. So I can see what was filed as duplicates with the different Motions and it seems a LOT of the same stuff was filed with different Motions, and 2. So that you can tell what you want to download, read, research, and give us your feedback.
There are 56 more documents to code in and are uploaded now on the server, and will be connected throughout today. HOWEVER, some are duplicates of what are up there now, so there won’t be 56 more documents. When I take a break today, I will have an article up about what is “MISSING”, IMO in the filings.
A special thanks to Daisy for learning on the run how to code the documents.
Beth thanks for the link and Swims’ views, from what I have read through the documents I agree, it appears to me also that O’Quinn proved Howard K. Stern’s case, not the other way around, he is also it seems trying to prove that Stern was a “public or limited public figure” something that is NOT in dispute, in all of Stern’s filings he has discussed the standard of proving “Malicious Intent” because he knew the bar was higher for him to meet…
Lots of things in Don Clarks aff. but what I can pull out of this mess is it seems they are going to try to throw Wilma under the bus for all of it. Blame the “little” guy or in this case gal. Are they going to go for “we were given errorous information?” It just keeps repeating “I (Don Clark) gave O’Quinn the information he used to make such and such statement. I got my information from Wilma Vicedome and she got her information from the tabloid internet.” There is NOTHING from Wilma in these filings. HUH??? Wow is about all I can say. It’s mind numbing to think that a man with Don Clarks accomplishments would rely on an “untrained” VOLUNTEER, who did most of her research via the internet tabloid news sights (mediawhore.com) and then relay that to his “boss”. I don’t believe it for one minute. JO’Q is guilty of defamation and it’s time to suck it up in my opinion.
Did everyone catch the fact that Wilma came to them and VOLUNTEERED to help them research? How many of you have heard of “mediawhore.com?” Did you catch the fact that Don Clark currently works for the station that Virgie was suing along with the others. They have since been dropped from the suit. Did you catch that he also currently works for CNN and Fox news? Are you seeing a pattern here?
Also, WHERE IS THIS SUPPOSED DUFFLE BAG OF DRUGS? THERE ISN’T EVEN A PICTURE OF IT ANYWHERE. That is something that LB made up when he was in FL. for the burial hearing. I believe he was trying his case for paternity right there in front of the camera and was saying anything he could think of to slant it his way.
You can’t have it both ways Mr. O’Quinn. Either you can or you can’t trust tabloid media. You can’t plead hyperbole on both issues.
Was cleaning my daughters room as she recently moved out of state. Came across a school booklet and browsed thru to see if it needed to be chucked or kept. Surprise..it was an assignment from her English teacher on the subject of Anna Nicole. Pages of comments from an MSNBC site over the burial hearing. The overwhelming majority against VA. Very few opinions against Howard or allegations of wrong doing.
The gossip sites repeated the same thing over and over as the media did if they found one little tidbit of OMG!! which with the help of those infotainment news shows and questionable guests, helped to portray scandel. And all with the idea of bringing viewers or hits.
If the buriel hearing wasn’t televised would the so called ‘scandel’ have ever taken on the life it did? Would Wilma be blogging on the life and times of Britney instead and making a Utube of “Don’t pick on Britney”. She’s misunderstood!!!!1111!!!
How many others “just wanted to help” poor misunderstood Virgie?
Beth
They are saying that the fax machine resets itself when it’s plugged back into the phone lines. The newer ones may do just that but I know for a fact that older ones don’t do that. We have to reset ours after the power goes out of we unplug it for some reason and ours is only a couple of years old.
Raven
How can there be a conspiricy on “our” side with no real evidence presented. The things that have been aren’t in whole and are out of context. But, I have seen a email that was passed around with a cellphone number and correct email address for someone very close to the “other” side with a message to essentially “if you want to help dig up dirt then contact this person.” THAT IS WHERE THE CONSPIRICY IS. All opinion of course but derived from facts that are out there for anyone to see.
To clear something up on the duffle bag that I have seen a few people mention. They were not talking about Anna being in the hospital for or after Dannielynn’s birth. That had nothing to do with it. This is what LB said on the stand in FL. “She was in the hospital to be weened off prescription medication because she was pregnant.” The supposed duffle bag incident supposedly happened when Anna was about 4 to 5 months pregnant and LB was still in her life as a boyfriend.
Talking to Rose on the phone and she wants you to know she is getting a lot of things coded so she can get them up for you to read.
Don Clark gave O’Quin the information he needed??? O’Q has got to be kidding me? What school did he graduate from? OMG! How stupid is that?
I’m still reading these documents but so far it’s like high school talk “Well they said this and he said that” and ” I read in on facepage…I’m only saying what everyone else is saying”
John O’Q went on the air and called Howard a murderer. And he based that on blogs? He said that because that’s what his client said?
IMO: too much gin
FYI. Perez collected for atty fees in defamation case.
http://www.knbc.com/news/17623571/detail.html?rss=la&psp=news
wilma came and volunteered. She admitted herself that she was Clark’s ‘comcubine’ [sic] so she volunteered, they flew her around, and oquinn knew nothing but yet admitted to constant contact with clark. OMGoodness THE LIES!
wait a minute… oquinn said she volunteered. clarks affadavit said he enlisted wilma.
VERY VERY interesting that there were no affadavits regarding any of these supposed witnesses for Don Clark. Nobody there to help wilma and clark out now. LMAO.
could they not ‘pay’ those bloggers for some help LOLOLOLOL
sorry, giggling, just getting to read all these lies overlapping more lies, they look like FOOLS!!
Beth [68] thanks for providing the link with “Swims” view he as always is so insightful.
I say WHATEVER to OQ and Virgie.
Keep thinking whatever it is your thinking in your small lil minds.
It was both of your faces I seen on televsion after her death
that were pointing your lil beady noses at Howard making insane
accusatations.
spitfiregrl actually Virgie got the accusation ball rolling right after Daniel’s death. Wonder if that’s when O’Quinn really decided to jump on a the band wagon.
Oh your right JMA. She did start it first. duh!
OQ didn’t jump on until after Anna’s death.
You know, he probably didn’t give a rats azz while she was alive. Like most of the other players, while Anna was alive they didn’t speak up. They knew if they did, she would run them over. But with her gone, it was Game On for them. Lets face it, Anna was the Head of the household. And with her around
no one stood a chance. (meaning Jackie, Mark, Virgie, OQ and all the rast that talked trash.)
Wow good for us that Don Clark is now retired from the FBI because if he conducted his investigation concerning terrorist in the same manner as he did Anna Nicole & Howard Stern we would have even more to worry about here in the USA. Did Clark rely on the media and Internet while investigating for the FBI? Did Clark go on-line in order to track down terrorist?
Those honorable credentials Clark mentions in the beginning went right out the window when he stated how he investigated or got information concerning the death of Anna & Daniel and how he used that information to come to his conclusion that Howard Stern was the main suspect.
I noticed he did not mention how authority shot him down in Florida when he asked them to reopen the case.
spitfiregrl, yes I know O’Quinn did not jump in until after Anna’s death. I will bet O’Quinn took great interest when Grandma who resided in Texas just as he does went public with her accusations right after Daniel’s death.